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Nintendo cant compete with Xbox One.

Nintendon't have have notable support and core gamers are gonna stick with Xbox and Playstation.

If NX is just another home console trying to appeal to the same gamers as Xbox users, it already failed. Wii succeeded because it aimed for a different audience.



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The OP must be really feeling it after Xenoblade X's launch .

Regarding the first post: I agree Xbox isn't as strong in Europe and Japan but the One is selling much better than Wii U in Europe and Japan's home console presence is decreasing generation after generation. Also, if NX home console launches next year, it's probably up against PS4 and One's peak years in sales so the systems still have those advantage. Regardless, hopefully NX has a successful release!



Nintendo will be fine

neither Sony or Microsoft has bothered much the last  few years in the handheld market, Nintendo has divided their attention which arguably explains misfiring on the home console end now and then

the NX, if truly a combo handheld / home console, well do well

 

can't go wrong when you have Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong, F Zero, Star Fox- just need to get a little extra third party support and they'll smash it out of the park



I agree with Soundwave that Nintendo has a chance of knocking XBox One out of 2nd place with the NX. That said, I disagree with the replies on this thread that say that Nintendo is in big trouble and that the only way they can succeed is by playing Sony's and Microsoft's game and making a console that follows the same formula as the PS4 and XOne.

If the NX has any chance of outselling the XBox One, it will do so percisely because of what it does differently then XB1 and PS4. There is a reason why Splatoon swept the floor against Halo 5 at the game awards last week and is possibly even a threat to outsell Halo 5's lifetime sales despite being a new IP on a failed platform that nobody had any expectations for. I suspect, however, that very few critics of Nintendo will be able to explain to me why that is the case.

Nintendo doesn't just have the Wii as its single stand-out success in an otherwise 30 year decline, it has: NES, Super Mario Bros, Gameboy, Tetris, Donkey Kong Country, Pokemon, Mario 64, Goldeneye, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, DS, Brain Age, Wii, New Super Mario Bros, Amiibo. Everytime it looks like Nintendo is in trouble or is getting boring, they churn out some new idea that hasn't been done before and shake the industry. In fact, I can't think of a single time where Nintendo has been at their best when they were copying what somebody else has done. Nintendo doesn't need to release XB2 or PS5 to survive next gen, they just need to go back to the roots of what made them great by making FUN and unique games that are accessible to as many people as possible. NX may not beat XB1, but I do believe that it will prove the "nintendoom" sentiment wrong.



Soundwave said:

NX should also be a large step more powerful than the XB1, leaving MS with the weakest hardware by far,

Are you saying the same company that gave us gimped hardware two generations in a row is suddenly going to release a console that is clearly a step up from its competitors?



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

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Xbox is hardly weak. There is a fair amount of difficulty on Nintendo's part when it comes to disrupting Microsoft in the console market ...

The obvious flaw in trying to directly compete with Microsoft is that they would need a much bigger workforce to sustain their new and upcoming platforms. They would at least need to triple their current employee pool to get much better output than they did previously. Nintendo also needs to be vigilant about the decisions they make about their hardware too ...



It's easy for Nintendo to make a more powerful console if they wanted to. The N64 was more powerful than the Playstation or Saturn and technology is far more advanced, plus MS shot themselves in the foot by going with a weaker hardware because they were over concerned with RROD issues.

Tactically MS doesn't hold any sway worldwide. It's just the US where they are doing well, and even here they are not going to beat Sony.

Halo is still a good franchise, but it's not what it used to be. Kids today don't care about it in the same way.

IF (and that's an if), Nintendo plays their cards right, IMO MS is vulnerable and could be pushed to a no.3 position worldwide and who knows if MS feels fit to continue after that. They don't need the game business, the profits are peanuts to them and the only real reason they came into the business because they were worried about game consoles threatening the Windows monopoly (shoulda been watching Apple and Google, MS, not Sony).



People that want less options disturb me. Without MS we would had 599.99 arrogant Sony with no option to punish them, same goes with MS and DRM 2013.



_Jameson said:
People that want less options disturb me. Without MS we would had 599.99 arrogant Sony with no option to punish them, same goes with MS and DRM 2013.


The market only supports two options unfortunately ... people don't want 4-5 different gaming platforms any more than they want 4-5 alternatives to DVD/Blu-Ray. 

That means if Sony is going to grab one seat, there's only room for one more. 

Sure, sure, Wii did it, but Wii was a one-time controller miracle that can't be replicated now that there's 1 billion casual games available to soccer moms and the like 24/7 for free all the time. Other than that, there's never been a console generation that's had three successful home consoles existing concurrently (Turbo Grafx 16, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, GameCube, etc. all say hi). 

Microsoft doesn't need gaming. They make billions of dollars. Nintendo needs the game business for obvious reasons ... they're the only purely game focused hardware maker left. With their portable market shrinking thanks to the above mention smart device gaming boom, Nintendo can't afford to simply have a crappy selling console and make up with it on the back of a strong portable market either. 

More competetion isn't always a good thing either. Competetion forced Sega out, and are we as gamers better for it? Nope. We lost one of the greatest game forces ever, and the industry lost a lot of its spark once Sega basically de-evolved into nothing. 

MS vacating would allow Nintendo to move back more into their 90s position where they made more core gamer initatives too (ie: the Star Wars deal, GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, Kobe Bryant NBA games, Ken Griffey MLB games, deals for things like Starcraft 64, etc.). 

Two competitors keep each in line anyway, so that things like a $599 console would quickly be punished by the market, you don't really need 3/4/5 companies for that. 



captain carot said:
but I think they need to simply accept it's kill or be killed.


Ah, but that would be more like get killed or get killed.

Nintendos best chance would be a joint venture. But a joint venture with Sony would be bad for competition and thus bad for gamers.

Indeed. They should partner with Microsoft instead, squash Sony together and then duke it out against each other in one last epic showdown generation before console gaming dies altogether (we're two or three gens away from console collapse)...