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Soundwave said:
Azuren said:
If the NX is as strong as PS4XB1 and launches with a version of SSB4, a version of Zelda U, and a new Mario game, then it might very quickly gain ground on XB1. However, it will likely never catch up. It would need Wii-level sales to close the gap before 8th Gen ends.

 

I think this approach is problematic. If NX is only as strong as PS4XB1 ... it's likely going to get slaughtered by the PS4XB1, because for one, many people will already have an PS4XB1. 

It needs to be more powerful.

Actually I'll go beyond that and say it's needs to be a bolder hardware revolution than that. There shouldn't be "one" NX, in the way there was a single Wii, N64, SNES, etc. That won't work for Nintendo anymore I don't think. 

NX should be a broad "platform" ... a family of various different hardware products, such as Steam is an over-arching platform and different NX models at different price points and even designs (ie: you could one "serious" console type that looks sleek and like a home electronics component, you could have a lower end cheaper console for kids that has bright colors and more "personality"). 

There shouldn't be a "single" NX, otherwise Nintendo is going to get boxed into a corner where they have to make one piece of hardware appeal to like 10 different demographic groups.

The NXs can all share 1st party games, but third parties would have a choice of where their games can go, developers making a really high end game can make it for the high end NX console, Japanese low budget devs that primarily just want to make games for the portable can make it on that budget and then scale the resolution up if they want it to play on the higher end models. 

 

NX needs to me a mobile friendly device.



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Pavolink said:
Soundwave said:
Azuren said:
If the NX is as strong as PS4XB1 and launches with a version of SSB4, a version of Zelda U, and a new Mario game, then it might very quickly gain ground on XB1. However, it will likely never catch up. It would need Wii-level sales to close the gap before 8th Gen ends.

 

I think this approach is problematic. If NX is only as strong as PS4XB1 ... it's likely going to get slaughtered by the PS4XB1, because for one, many people will already have an PS4XB1. 

It needs to be more powerful.

Actually I'll go beyond that and say it's needs to be a bolder hardware revolution than that. There shouldn't be "one" NX, in the way there was a single Wii, N64, SNES, etc. That won't work for Nintendo anymore I don't think. 

NX should be a broad "platform" ... a family of various different hardware products, such as Steam is an over-arching platform and different NX models at different price points and even designs (ie: you could one "serious" console type that looks sleek and like a home electronics component, you could have a lower end cheaper console for kids that has bright colors and more "personality"). 

There shouldn't be a "single" NX, otherwise Nintendo is going to get boxed into a corner where they have to make one piece of hardware appeal to like 10 different demographic groups.

The NXs can all share 1st party games, but third parties would have a choice of where their games can go, developers making a really high end game can make it for the high end NX console, Japanese low budget devs that primarily just want to make games for the portable can make it on that budget and then scale the resolution up if they want it to play on the higher end models. 

 

NX needs to me a mobile friendly device.

 

The way I see it should be everything. Mobile device, yup. Mid-tier family console? Yup. High end pro console? Yup. 

I have a Macbook Pro Retina, my girlfriend has a regular ol' Macbook Air that's like 1/2 the price. We are both happy with what we got because it suits our personal needs. There is no singular "Macbook". That's how NX should be IMO. 

Nintendo's games can all be shared on the all the devices with varying graphical settings. Yes, this may be more of a pain in the butt for Nintendo designers in some ways, but it's ultimately easier than what they do now where they basically have to make 2 Mario Karts/2 Smashes/2 Mario Tennis/2 NSMBUs etc. etc. for handheld and console that are different games basically and how they have software droughts on both platforms.

Now they can just make one game and share them on all devices. Third parties, I'd let them pick and choose which device(s) they want, like certain high end PC/PS4 ports in some cases may not be feasible on the portable. That's ok. 



Azuren said:
If the NX is as strong as PS4XB1 and launches with a version of SSB4, a version of Zelda U, and a new Mario game, then it might very quickly gain ground on XB1. However, it will likely never catch up. It would need Wii-level sales to close the gap before 8th Gen ends.

Nintendo doesn't need to "close the gap". The gap means nothing.

They just need a console with PC style hardware, running on X86 like PS4/XBO/PC, that way ports of just about anything makes sense. There is no doubt that PS4/XBO successors will run on it as well, just like PC does. If you lose BC for a gen, big whoop. It's clearly not a selling point anyways, plus PC show they can emulate majority of the old stuff.

If they want to make their own titles unique then god bless them and good luck because it definitely helps to make a difference. First and foremost though they need to do whetever they need to in order to ensure 3rd party devs are on board in terms of thinking the porting work makes financial sense, and if PS4/XBO/PC/NX all run on X86, why wouldn't they just do the simple port? It's not the same as now, where WiiU is running on hardware different to everything else. Plus in a digital age they can ignore retail if it costs too much and offer a digital version, which cuts out tons of added cost which previously may have caused them to consider NOT releasing on a Nintendo console.

If Nintendo can sit there and say "Hey, look over here. We have all the 3rd party games they have, with the same online features, plus our robust collection of the Nintendo games you all love.", it makes a difference.

Forget tablet controllers and wiimotes or whatever they think they need next. People want a standard controller and that's it. Go with what works, pull in 3rd parties by listening for a change, provide your own unique experiences  and then see where it leads.

I know I would be on board.

 

 

They need to make money at this point, not "go for the kill" or anything. You gain a stable footing first and move on from there. Enough of the gimmicks.



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The 8th gen is over for Nintendo... they need to go after the 9th gen, that's their next chance. I think a new home console in 2016 is way too early, specially since the 8th gen has only just begun.
Their next console needs to have specs on the ballpark of the PS5. Anything else and it's just a stopgap console, and that would be suicide in the console business.



Magnus said:
The 8th gen is over for Nintendo... they need to go after the 9th gen, that's their next chance. I think a new home console in 2016 is way too early, specially since the 8th gen has only just begun.
Their next console needs to have specs on the ballpark of the PS5. Anything else and it's just a stopgap console, and that would be suicide in the console business.

 

Based on their patent of a supplemental "add-on" device patent which adds more power they could do something like this 

NX Base - About XB1 in power, no HDD, cheap-ish. $199.99. 

NX Base + NX Add-on (NX Pro) - Far beyond the PS4 or XB1 in horsepower. 

I like the idea of a modular console that can added onto easily, and NX is simply just an overall platform that grows as time goes on. NX like I said should not be one thing, but varying different hardware models that all can play the base Nintendo games. 

"One size fits all" console won't work for Nintendo because they have too many audience bases to satisify -- kids, parents, teenagers, college age players, adults, pro gamers, casual gamers, mainstream gamers ... etc etc etc. 

2016 is fine, the sooner they can start building a userbase for the NX ecosystem the better. If they can be at 10-15+ million before the PS5 launches, that would be great. 

The way I see it Nintendo games can scale reasonably easily up and down since they're not dependant on the highest end specs. If you took Zelda on Wii U and bumped it up to 1080P + added anti-aliasing and maybe some beefier lighting/shadow effects ... it would look as good/better than many PS4 games.



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Soundwave said:
Magnus said:
The 8th gen is over for Nintendo... they need to go after the 9th gen, that's their next chance. I think a new home console in 2016 is way too early, specially since the 8th gen has only just begun.
Their next console needs to have specs on the ballpark of the PS5. Anything else and it's just a stopgap console, and that would be suicide in the console business.

 

Based on their patent of a supplemental "add-on" device patent which adds more power they could do something like this 

NX Base - About XB1 in power, no HDD, cheap-ish. $199.99. 

NX Base + NX Add-on (NX Pro) - Far beyond the PS4 or XB1 in horsepower. 

I like the idea of a modular console that can added onto easily, and NX is simply just an overall platform that grows as time goes on. NX like I said should not be one thing, but varying different hardware models that all can play the base Nintendo games. 

"One size fits all" console won't work for Nintendo because they have too many audience bases to satisify -- kids, parents, teenagers, college age players, adults, pro gamers, casual gamers, mainstream gamers ... etc etc etc. 

2016 is fine, the sooner they can start building a userbase for the NX ecosystem the better. If they can be at 10-15+ million before the PS5 launches, that would be great. 

The way I see it Nintendo games can scale reasonably easily up and down since they're not dependant on the highest end specs. If you took Zelda on Wii U and bumped it up to 1080P + added anti-aliasing and maybe some beefier lighting/shadow effects ... it would look as good/better than many PS4 games.

If a one size fits all console works for Sony and Microsoft, it works for Nintendo. Playstation satisfies almost all audiences, even kids, better than Nintendo does. In fact the console business is the one in which you HAVE to please everyone with a single box, except casuals who don't buy boxes to begin with. Modular consoles sounds a lot like SEGA's Genesis add-ons, which bombed spectacularly. People want to buy a single box that plays everything every 5 years, they aren't going to bother with modules specially if you then have to upgrade them every 2-3 years. It's a bad idea.

I wouldn't speculate too much based on patents. Most of them are usually discarded ideas. The only one I would bet will be in the final product is the freeform display, but only on the handheld.

2016 is way too soon for a 9th-gen console, which is what the NX should be.





Soundwave said:
Magnus said:
The 8th gen is over for Nintendo... they need to go after the 9th gen, that's their next chance. I think a new home console in 2016 is way too early, specially since the 8th gen has only just begun.
Their next console needs to have specs on the ballpark of the PS5. Anything else and it's just a stopgap console, and that would be suicide in the console business.

 

Based on their patent of a supplemental "add-on" device patent which adds more power they could do something like this 

NX Base - About XB1 in power, no HDD, cheap-ish. $199.99. 

NX Base + NX Add-on (NX Pro) - Far beyond the PS4 or XB1 in horsepower. 

I like the idea of a modular console that can added onto easily, and NX is simply just an overall platform that grows as time goes on. NX like I said should not be one thing, but varying different hardware models that all can play the base Nintendo games. 

"One size fits all" console won't work for Nintendo because they have too many audience bases to satisify -- kids, parents, teenagers, college age players, adults, pro gamers, casual gamers, mainstream gamers ... etc etc etc. 

2016 is fine, the sooner they can start building a userbase for the NX ecosystem the better. If they can be at 10-15+ million before the PS5 launches, that would be great. 

The way I see it Nintendo games can scale reasonably easily up and down since they're not dependant on the highest end specs. If you took Zelda on Wii U and bumped it up to 1080P + added anti-aliasing and maybe some beefier lighting/shadow effects ... it would look as good/better than many PS4 games.

That's any gamer's dream. A console that can be upgraded with a propietary all in one chipset that is literally a card you can plug in and replace at will sounds epic...





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