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Do you think Joshua Feuerstein should be prosecuted?

yes. Freedom of speech an... 1 33.33%
 
No, what he is saying is ... 2 66.67%
 
Other 0 0.00%
 
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MotherBound said:
How can one be Christian, but advocate murder? Makes no sense. Also, yes, I think he should have charges pressed

The same way ISIS does, and the Crusades, and Khmer Rogues.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
MotherBound said:
How can one be Christian, but advocate murder? Makes no sense. Also, yes, I think he should have charges pressed

The same way ISIS does, and the Crusades, and Khmer Rogues.


They are obviously not Christians then

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It's one guy. Who cares? Lots of individuals say pretty stupid stuff. Doesn't mean we should be making generalizations about an entire group of people.



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hershel_layton said:
The day after the Planned Parenthood shooting by the radical Christian terrorist, he made a video concerning Planned Parenthood, abortion, and so forth. However, he said in this video that people should attack the Doctors that work in planned parenthood, making them "fear for their lives".

That is literally the definition of "terrorist". Joshua Feuerstein is a terrorist. And by instructing others to do it, in a public call, he's a terrorist leader.

This isn't a "freedom of speech" situation. Freedom of speech doesn't permit you to shout "FIRE" in a crowded theatre. Freedom of speech doesn't permit you to threaten the lives of others. It's not the speech itself that you're restricting, it's the impact on others. For cases like this, it's called incitement, and in this case you'd probably call it "incitement to commit a terrorist attack".



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ohmylanta1003 said:
It's one guy. Who cares? Lots of individuals say pretty stupid stuff. Doesn't mean we should be making generalizations about an entire group of people.

Who's suggesting that we should make generalisations about an entire group of people? If you're looking at the OP, it doesn't say that Christians are at fault, it says that, because he's a Christian rather than a Muslim, the media is refusing to call it "terrorism". It's a criticism of the media.

The problem is, people are all too quick to make generalisations when it's a Muslim. One Muslim says something like this, they're immediately branded a terrorist worldwide (and rightly so, if they say something similar to this). But this guy is going to be pretty much ignored for saying it, because he's a Christian.



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Pristine20 said:
Amazing how people are "pro-life" but call for death and do not want to see anyone supported post-partum. This is something I would never understand about the conservative movement. In this case, my brain has reached it's limit.

Great way to generalize.  Completely helps the discussion.

Fei-Hung said:

Also, people do not understand freedom of speech and how it is supposed to be used. Freedom of speech is supposed to be used ethically and morally to empower people to do good, make positive change and contributions. When people use it to Mock others, attack others, degrade others, dehumanise others etc you are not enacting freedom of speech.

Your belief is NOT freedom of speech.  Unpopular speech is the most important to protect.  I mean, if people thought like what you stated, we would need thought police to make sure someone never said a bad thing about another person.  And every comedian would be out of a job.  That is not freedom, nor is it reality.  People are free to say whatever they want, and others are allowed to respond how they wish.  There are only two things you're not allowed to do, incite violence and incite panic (yelling fire in a crowded place, when there is no fire.)  Other than that, all is far game.

@ OP

I have no problem calling him a terrorist, as long as you are also including Daesh and their ilk in that category.  Of course, I wouldn't call him a devout Christian.  With what I have read about him, he seems more like a nut.  Registered to vote as a woman.  Enjoyed being cruel to animals and S&M.  Rambled on about the Apocalypse.  And while the police haven't released much, they did say he was so incoherently rambling, they have no idea what his true motive was. 

Now, I guess if you want, you can try to make this some big reflection on all Christians.  But just make sure you do the same for Daesh and all Muslims.


If everyone followed the law we wouldn't need police either. I have as link that explained what FoS is. I didn't give my opinion I stated a fact. FoS does allow you to go against popular opinion of the popular opinion is degrading, oppressing etc someone who has not done anything wrong or who is not being given his / her human rights. 



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Your freedom ends where someone else's begins. He should be jailed for a short time.



Pristine20 said:
Amazing how people are "pro-life" but call for death and do not want to see anyone supported post-partum. This is something I would never understand about the conservative movement. In this case, my brain has reached it's limit.

Cause most every activist doesn't care about a fetus, but controlling women and sexuality in general.  I've yet to see a 'national adoption day' sponsered by them or anything like that.  Or a major push for free birth control - usually they work on 'abstiance only' programs (which lead to increased pregancy.)

But serious question. How is this guy much different han Charlie Manson?  Charlie didn't kill anyone, just got other people to do it - including the murder of a pregant Sharon Tate.  He is also going to spend the rest of his life in jail.



 

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Pristine20 said:
Amazing how people are "pro-life" but call for death and do not want to see anyone supported post-partum. This is something I would never understand about the conservative movement. In this case, my brain has reached it's limit.

To play devil's advocate a bit, being "Pro Life" doesn't mean you aren't anti-capital punishment. You just believe that all have the right to life, and unborn babies certainly have done nothing to lose that right. Agreeing with capital punishment for those who commit the most heinous crimes doesn't contradict that sentiment as the right to life has been forfeited.