This is what Sony fans actually beleive

You said people are misleading, they're not because the games are set for 2016, plain and simple. I'm baffled at how you're even trying to argue this. And Sony has been announcing their games late in the games development cycle so we don't have to wait as long for the game. Guerilla has been working on Horizon for about 3 years and it'll be 4 years by 2016. Same with TLG, Sony re announced it at E3 because they were sure that it would make it for 2016. You just want to say they'll be delayed because it'll make you feel better about your Xbox. 

Haha, are you being serious? Gears of War is a remake and not a remaster? LOL. oh of course it is. It's definitely not the same game with upgraded graphics. I absolutely remember seeing GoW: UE having brand new content they made just for the UE and having brand new game mechanics.  Gears of War UE is running on the SAME codes and using the same voice acting as the first version it was released but with better graphics. That is NOT a remake. You have no idea what a remake is.

You implied that Japanese games are bad when you brought in Godzilla and tried to downplay the list, that's absoutely what you did. You're saying that the games I listed are bad. I want you to tell me which games are bad and why? You still haven't done that. It also doesn't matter if it doesn't appeal to the common person, we all know that certain games appeal to certain people, it's not that hard. Why does that matter? Why are you pointing out the obvious? Of course Digimon isn't going to sell a lot of units nor is it going to attract casuals, but what does it have to do with anything? It's going to sell to people who want to play JRPGs. I want you to explain to me what the sales of a game has to do with the quality. I will be buying those games because they seem like quality titles and the sales shouldn't matter.

Why does it matter if those games are on PS3? For people who have PS4s, why would it matter? I want you to explain to me for all the people that own a PS4, what does it have to do with it being also on PS3? Is it going to make it a less of a game? Is the game going to suck now? The only thing that is different from the PS3 is graphics, that's all the new generation of systems can offer, better graphics. And that doesn't affect the quality of the game. LOL, you literally just made a topic about how gameplay should only matter and now because of graphics, you imply that it will be of a less game? Oh the irony. You seriously are too much.

Oh ok, you complaining about me putting PS3 remasters? Ok, here I'll remove them.

Horizon: Zero Dawn
The Last Guardian
Uncharted 4
Ratchet and Clank
Street Fighter V
Gran Turismo Sport
Dreams
Gravity Rush Remastered
Gravity Rush 2
Persona 5
World of Final Fantasy
Nier: Automata
Star Ocean 5
Kingdom Hearts 2.8
Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth
Odin Sphere
Attack on Titan
The King of Fighters XIV
Resident Evil: Umbrella Corps
Guilty Gear Xrd: Revelation
Amplitude
Guns Up!
The Tomorrow Children
RIME
Alienation
Shadow of the Beast
Kill Strain
Wattam
What Remains of Edith Finch
Fat Princess Adventures
Drawn to Death

Not off a cliff, but we are going to start to see a decline. At least until MS drops to $299. Of course, Sony will probably answer in kind this time, so it won't help them for long.

And people need to lay off the "best selling Xbox console.". MS has stopped talking about sales because they know the 360's aligned launch is right in the rearview mirror and coming fast. The XBO may end up at 35M-40M, nowhere near 360's 85M+.

I think you're correct here.

People forget that the X360 didn't really launch very well. OG Xbox built a solid but small core fanbase on the back of Halo, and while there are many great assorted titles for the OG model, none of them were big hits to be honest sales-wise compared to the massive Halo 1/2 sales. 360 launched with no Halo, and really lacked a 'system seller' type of game. To make things tougher, a lot of people had PS2s and were waiting to see what PS3 would bring. Of course PS3 came out at a ludicrous price and by that time the games had started to flow for 360, so 360 began to build up steam. It was a slow burner out of the gate, but once Gears and Halo 3 were out combined with lower pricing, THEN it started the US dominance most people associate with the 7th gen. Further out, the initial Kinect craze also fueled a 2nd wind for it.

None of this is true this gen. The 360 built up a larger loyal core following during its time, and that allowed for a BIG launch for X1, but it was nearly the opposite reality compared to 360 over time. 360 was a slow start that steadily built and became dominant in the US. X1 had a massive start, but has for the most part declined outside of major holiday sales (with massively lower pricing and higher value-adds/packins) than 360 offered at the same generational timeframe.

Given that it looks like X1 will be down YoY for 2015, and PS4 seems destined to win even US hoiday sales (Oct/Nov/Dec) during the timeframe of the single biggest Xbox franchise mainline release, I also rather doubt that a 'slim' model will do very much for the X1. The 360S redesign had several things going for it that won't be true this gen. The 360 was already the #1 console in gen7 USA when they brought that slim out. Additionally, the early 360 'fats' were notoriously flaky with the RROD fiasco, so you had a lot of repeat buyers that wanted the better model. So it was a case of high market inertia and a real hunger for an improved model that fueled that success. The X1 is already pretty darned reliable, quiet, and affordable. Other than the possible complaint that it's too large, there isn't much to expect from an X1 'slim' redesign lifting up X1 sales. And finally, the PS3's Cell architecture and high BoM costs guaranteed X360 had a price advantage during the 7th gen. With the 8th gen, its doubtful that Sony wouldn't just match X1's price all along the way either $ for $ or hanging close.

So 'fall off a cliff'? I don't think it will be anything that could be described THAT dramatically, but I think that 2014 might be the peak year, as 2015 (with Halo, and with many months of considerable pricing advantages) already looks lower than 2014, combined with the slate of releases for both systems in 2016 : I think 2016 X1 sales will be lower than 2015 as well.

I predict personally that X1 will be the virtual definition of a front-loaded console. I also believe that the architectural / capability similarity with PS4 pretty much guarantees that it will continue to see solid multiplat support, it's not like people are just going to stop making the big AAA multiplats for it. We're already seeing a ton more niche/variety games that are retail non-indie games on slate for PS4, but the ACs, Batmans, Maddens, CoDs, etc will always come to PS4 and X1.

Final LTD for X1 will be 35-50M low/high. PS4 should be 80-110M low/high. Though in the US I don't think PS4 will ever truly be dominant. They might achieve 65/35 by end of gen optimistically, with a more realistic outlook looking like 60/40.

Yeah, and you have to admit Sony sure has A LOT of fans.

I know youtubers who like to test "durability" of technology by throwing it 100 feet from the ground; no better way to waste money than to throw consoles and whatnot for fun.

How about list the new AAA games instead of f2p games, indie games, niche japanese games and remaster games. The biggest point of owning a new next gen system is new AAA experiences not old ports of games. Indie games and f2p games is nice and all and xbox one has a lot of them coming up too, but if we buy consoles for indie games, f2p games and old ports, you should buy an Apple TV because Apple TV will get a huge amount of indie games and f2p games. Probably end up with more of them then the xbox one and PS4 combined. I am excited for uncharted 4, GT sport (if it releases next year and a good game) and I will give you ratchet and clank because they will actually remake the game and it will play and look differently (maybe not entirely). I don't like sf5 because Im not into fighting games, but that is a AAA game. However, a lot of those Japanese anime games aren't AAA because it only appeals to a niche group of people and the budget , production value, gameplay, ect...  is low compare to a AAA game. Games like Horizion and TLG will more than likely be delayed. No fanboy stuff, just being real. 

I think the Xbones sales will stay good in the US at least. It isn't going away anytime soon. As others have stated Sony and M$ will have a harder time convincing people to upgrade to 9th Gen so I hope both do some serious VR with their next systems as a way to entice us early adopters that don't want to plop serious cash for a PC to run high end VR.

While I agree Xbox One will not sell as much as the 360, I think 35-40 million is lowballing it a bit; this generation could drag on for as long as the last, giving it plenty of time to make steady progress.

This generation will be 5 to 6 years long. An 8 year generation was a fluke to be honest. However, xbox one will continue to outdo xbox 360 each year you align it with nonethless. Microsoft's xbox one is already outdoing the 360 even with strong competition unlike last gen for the first few years.