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Why don't you give a simpler JRPG, like Mario RPG, a try before thinking about playing XCX? That game is obviously not for newbies.



                
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Nuvendil said:

Dude, you aren't getting what he's saying.  You misread.  He didn't say that "I like Skittles" wasn't subjective.  He said that *the amount of information* represented in it isn't subjective.  I like Skittles only involves the flavors, textures, and colors of the candy and your preference for them.  That is an objective, quantifiable amount of data that can be discussed.  The opinion about that book deals with a whole host of ideas, another quantifiable number of discussion points.

 

Also, he said that he disagreed with the need for this thread, not the contents.  And the point about more threads and popularity has to do with saturation of the forums.  There's already going to be numerous topics flooding the forums next week, do we really need even more, less substantial topics clogging the forums further.

 

You calling him a complete liar is only making yourself look foolish.  Take the time to read and process before throwing around aggressive ad hominem attacks and trying to pick a fight.


You're right I did misread what he said about skittles, I did not understand what he meant until you said it. However, everything else, I don't.

How do the needs and contents not go together? He disagreed with the need for the thread because of the contents, they go hand in hand. That's the point he's been making the whole time, that the contents of the thread are not valuable or worthy of a thread. He also argued that there was no need for this thread because it would be getting to many threads because it's about to release, which is normal considering this happens for every game.

All the OP has been saying is he finds the game to be confusing because it's an JRPG and it's his first. And it seems like he wants people to change his mind and understand what an JRPG is, and that's what people are doing. JWein is saying that it's not worthy of of thread because of the reasons the OP gave, but that's his opinion. And I said you could say any opinion thread like this is not worthy because there are people who could find it not worthy and that's their opinion. And he's being a hypocrite by saying that this thread should not have been made because he personally did not find it worthy. However, he implies a book which he finds is interesting should have a topic and not be closed because it's his opinion but of course there are people who don't find it interesting and can say what I've said from the first post, for any opinion thread, you can say that a thread should not have been made because they personally did not find it interesting. The same can be said about all books, some find it interesting and some don't.

And it's funny you're saying I'm trying to pick a fight, which I wasn't, you seem to be the only one trying to pick a fight with your last sentences.



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Ali_16x said:
Nuvendil said:

Dude, you aren't getting what he's saying.  You misread.  He didn't say that "I like Skittles" wasn't subjective.  He said that *the amount of information* represented in it isn't subjective.  I like Skittles only involves the flavors, textures, and colors of the candy and your preference for them.  That is an objective, quantifiable amount of data that can be discussed.  The opinion about that book deals with a whole host of ideas, another quantifiable number of discussion points.

 

Also, he said that he disagreed with the need for this thread, not the contents.  And the point about more threads and popularity has to do with saturation of the forums.  There's already going to be numerous topics flooding the forums next week, do we really need even more, less substantial topics clogging the forums further.

 

You calling him a complete liar is only making yourself look foolish.  Take the time to read and process before throwing around aggressive ad hominem attacks and trying to pick a fight.


You're right I did misread what he said about skittles, I did not understand what he meant until you said it. However, everything else, I don't.

How do the needs and contents not go together? He disagreed with the need for the thread because of the contents, they go hand in hand. That's the point he's been making the whole time, that the contents of the thread are not valuable or worthy of a thread. He also argued that there was no need for this thread because it would be getting to many threads because it's about to release, which is normal considering this happens for every game.

All the OP has been saying is he finds the game to be confusing because it's an JRPG and it's his first. And it seems like he wants people to change his mind and understand what an JRPG is, and that's what people are doing. JWein is saying that it's not worthy of of thread because of the reasons the OP gave, but that's his opinion. And I said you could say any opinion thread like this is not worthy because there are people who could find it not worthy and that's their opinion. And he's being a hypocrite by saying that this thread should not have been made because he personally did not find it worthy. However, he implies a book which he finds is interesting should have a topic and not be closed because it's his opinion but of course there are people who don't find it interesting and can say what I've said from the first post, for any opinion thread, you can say that a thread should not have been made because they personally did not find it interesting. The same can be said about all books, some find it interesting and some don't.

And it's funny you're saying I'm trying to pick a fight, which I wasn't, you seem to be the only one trying to pick a fight with your last sentences.

You called him a liar, that's far from civil words.

 

And there is a difference in disagreeing with content and disagreeing with substance of said content.  For example, I do very much like Skittles.  However, if someone started a thread called "I like skittles," I would not agree that that's a thread-worthy topic.   That opinion just can't go anywhere really.  The substance of what is said is just not sufficient.  Which is what he is getting at:  you can't quantify correctness, you can quantify substance.  Some opinions and ideas are more substantial, are of greater consequence than others.  To get a bit philosophical, my opinion on colors has little bearing on world view and prompts little discussion.  My opinion about the human condition has enormous ramifications for my world view and can easily prompt a very lengthy discussion.  

 

And it's not about interest either.  You can find an opinion uninteresting and yet that opinion have a high degree of substance.  I'm not a huge fan of Nietzsche, but the opinions and theories of Nietzsche are still more substantial than my opinion on how cool 50s Corvettes look.  Because despite my interest in Corvettes, there's just more points of discussion and more ramifications to be found in Nietzsche.  And my disinterest doesn't change that.  So I have every right and reason to not participate in a Nietzsche thread but no right to claim it should be closed for lack of usefulness.

And this is a forum, a site built based on prolonged discussions, which means that new threads have a standard they have to meet in terms of the potential for that kind of discussion.  What he is saying is that just stating that you think x game is too hard/easy/complicated/etc and then leaving it off at that does not meet that standard.  And threads of insufficient substance are closed to prevent excessive clogging.  



Nuvendil said:

 You called him a liar, that's far from civil words.

 

And there is a difference in disagreeing with content and disagreeing with substance of said content.  For example, I do very much like Skittles.  However, if someone started a thread called "I like skittles," I would not agree that that's a thread-worthy topic.   That opinion just can't go anywhere really.  The substance of what is said is just not sufficient.  Which is what he is getting at:  you can't quantify correctness, you can quantify substance.  Some opinions and ideas are more substantial, are of greater consequence than others.  To get a bit philosophical, my opinion on colors has little bearing on world view and prompts little discussion.  My opinion about the human condition has enormous ramifications for my world view and can easily prompt a very lengthy discussion.  

 

And it's not about interest either.  You can find an opinion uninteresting and yet that opinion have a high degree of substance.  I'm not a huge fan of Nietzsche, but the opinions and theories of Nietzsche are still more substantial than my opinion on how cool 50s Corvettes look.  Because despite my interest in Corvettes, there's just more points of discussion and more ramifications to be found in Nietzsche.  And my disinterest doesn't change that.  So I have every right and reason to not participate in a Nietzsche thread but no right to claim it should be closed for lack of usefulness.

And this is a forum, a site built based on prolonged discussions, which means that new threads have a standard they have to meet in terms of the potential for that kind of discussion.  What he is saying is that just stating that you think x game is too hard/easy/complicated/etc and then leaving it off at that does not meet that standard.  And threads of insufficient substance are closed to prevent excessive clogging.  

Lol this is getting ridiculous. I'm not going to bother reading what you said. You two are making this into such a big deal by talking about stuff that goes off topic. You guys can answer in simple terms.

You guys seem to be ignoring the main point I've been making since my first post and one which you two haven't addressed. He found the thread not worthy and that was HIS opinion. Others gave the OP a genuine answer because they understood what he meant. I said that anyone could say that a opinion thread like this is not worthy because that's their opinion. If he finds this thread not worthy, there are other people that can find another thread not worthy. It's as simple as that. You don't need to use fancy examples, answer me in simple terms. Since everyone can find one topic interesting and not interesting, it literally comes down to what someone finds thread worthy and not thread worthy and you have people from boths sides, and you two trying to argue that is just ridiculous.



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Ali_16x said:

Nuvendil said:

 You called him a liar, that's far from civil words.

 

And there is a difference in disagreeing with content and disagreeing with substance of said content.  For example, I do very much like Skittles.  However, if someone started a thread called "I like skittles," I would not agree that that's a thread-worthy topic.   That opinion just can't go anywhere really.  The substance of what is said is just not sufficient.  Which is what he is getting at:  you can't quantify correctness, you can quantify substance.  Some opinions and ideas are more substantial, are of greater consequence than others.  To get a bit philosophical, my opinion on colors has little bearing on world view and prompts little discussion.  My opinion about the human condition has enormous ramifications for my world view and can easily prompt a very lengthy discussion.  

 

And it's not about interest either.  You can find an opinion uninteresting and yet that opinion have a high degree of substance.  I'm not a huge fan of Nietzsche, but the opinions and theories of Nietzsche are still more substantial than my opinion on how cool 50s Corvettes look.  Because despite my interest in Corvettes, there's just more points of discussion and more ramifications to be found in Nietzsche.  And my disinterest doesn't change that.  So I have every right and reason to not participate in a Nietzsche thread but no right to claim it should be closed for lack of usefulness.

And this is a forum, a site built based on prolonged discussions, which means that new threads have a standard they have to meet in terms of the potential for that kind of discussion.  What he is saying is that just stating that you think x game is too hard/easy/complicated/etc and then leaving it off at that does not meet that standard.  And threads of insufficient substance are closed to prevent excessive clogging.  

Lol this is getting ridiculous. I'm not going to bother reading what you said. You two are making this into such a big deal by talking about stuff that goes off topic. You guys can answer in simple terms.

You guys seem to be ignoring the main point I've been making since my first post and one which you two haven't addressed. He found the thread not worthy and that was HIS opinion. Others gave the OP a genuine answer because they understood what he meant. I said that anyone could say that a opinion thread like this is not worthy because that's their opinion. If he finds this thread not worthy, there are other people that can find another thread not worthy. It's as simple as that. You don't need to use fancy examples, answer me in simple terms. Since everyone can find one topic interesting and not interesting, it literally comes down to what someone finds thread worthy and not thread worthy and you have people from boths sides, and you two trying to argue that is just ridiculous.


I find it funny that you open your long reply with the statement that you refuse to read my reply.

 

However, he did try simple terms but you blew him off.  Now I'll give it a go:  opinions are subjective for the most part, however the substance of opinions is not mostly subjective.  Some things have more weight and more points of discussion.  Where the threshold lies for thread worthiness is up to the mods ultimately but its not a matter of agreement, interest, or mere opinion, its a matter of the substance of the OP.  That's not a subjective matter, that's just how ideas work.  Some are complex, others are simple.  I only gave examples to try and communicate my point clearly so excuse me for trying to have a rational discussion.

Now, as for my feelings of this topic, my problem is he never made any intention clear.  He just said his piece a left.  If he wanted, say, others' opinions on the game or explanation that would be different.  But that's not what he said.  He just said "I'm not getting this game cause it looks complicated" and then left it at that.  That's not a topic of discussion, that's just a statement, one that could have been made in, say, the Xenoblade Chronicles X thread.



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But now, as for this topic, as a first RPG this is probably a rough start. But most of the systems can be ignored mostly and you CAN get by without using them all.

But I would recommend a less complex starting point. Chrono Trigger is a good one. Not too long, good story, good pacing, turn based combat that's fun, it's got its depths but never overwhelms and can get you adjusted to some of the principles that many RPGs are founded on.



Nuvendil said:
Ali_16x said:

Lol this is getting ridiculous. I'm not going to bother reading what you said. You two are making this into such a big deal by talking about stuff that goes off topic. You guys can answer in simple terms.

You guys seem to be ignoring the main point I've been making since my first post and one which you two haven't addressed. He found the thread not worthy and that was HIS opinion. Others gave the OP a genuine answer because they understood what he meant. I said that anyone could say that a opinion thread like this is not worthy because that's their opinion. If he finds this thread not worthy, there are other people that can find another thread not worthy. It's as simple as that. You don't need to use fancy examples, answer me in simple terms. Since everyone can find one topic interesting and not interesting, it literally comes down to what someone finds thread worthy and not thread worthy and you have people from boths sides, and you two trying to argue that is just ridiculous.


I find it funny that you open your long reply with the statement that you refuse to read my reply.

 

However, he did try simple terms but you blew him off.  Now I'll give it a go:  opinions are subjective for the most part, however the substance of opinions is not mostly subjective.  Some things have more weight and more points of discussion.  Where the threshold lies for thread worthiness is up to the mods ultimately but its not a matter of agreement or mere opinion, its a matter of the substance of the OP.  That's not a subjective matter, that's just how ideas work.  Some are complex, others are simple.  I only gave examples to try and communicate my point clearly so excuse me for trying to have a rational discussion.

Now, as for my feelings of this topic, my problem is he never made any intention clear.  He just said his piece a left.  If he wanted, say, others' opinions on the game or explanation that would be different.  But that's not what he said.  He just said "I'm not getting this game cause it looks complicated" and then left it at that.  That's not a topic of discussion, that's just a statement, one that could have been made in, say, the Xenoblade Chronicles X thread.

EDIT: I shouldn't even be bothering with you since you joined this conversation without even knowing what you got into. I doubt you read what we've been saying since the beginning.



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Ali_16x said:
Nuvendil said:


I find it funny that you open your long reply with the statement that you refuse to read my reply.

 

However, he did try simple terms but you blew him off.  Now I'll give it a go:  opinions are subjective for the most part, however the substance of opinions is not mostly subjective.  Some things have more weight and more points of discussion.  Where the threshold lies for thread worthiness is up to the mods ultimately but its not a matter of agreement or mere opinion, its a matter of the substance of the OP.  That's not a subjective matter, that's just how ideas work.  Some are complex, others are simple.  I only gave examples to try and communicate my point clearly so excuse me for trying to have a rational discussion.

Now, as for my feelings of this topic, my problem is he never made any intention clear.  He just said his piece a left.  If he wanted, say, others' opinions on the game or explanation that would be different.  But that's not what he said.  He just said "I'm not getting this game cause it looks complicated" and then left it at that.  That's not a topic of discussion, that's just a statement, one that could have been made in, say, the Xenoblade Chronicles X thread.


Lol are you being serious? You still aren't giving me a clear answer to what I've been saying and I'm definitely not going to repeat it. 


For the love of...

This is WHY I gave examples.  Cause you clearly just don't get what I'm saying.  Some ideas and opinions can be of different substance and have more points if discussion than others.  That's just a fact, a widely recognized and accepted fact.  And THAT is what he was pointing out as the problem, THAT is what determines if something is thread worthy.  Can the OP on its own foster a worthwhile, long discussion?  That's got nothing to do with interest.  I'm not at all interested in Kingdom Hearts 3.  But I would never say that a thread discussing where the game might be taking the series is un-thread worthy.  Cause that is an idea, an opinion or set of opinions more than substantial enough to be worthy of a thread.  And that's not an opinion, that's just a reality; the complexity of the opinion provides numerous points of discussion.  The moderators set the ultimate threshold of course, but the standard is based on substance, not agreement or interest.  And that's what he meant by all opopinions and opinion threads not being equal.


Now stop quoting with your condescending snark and let this thread do whatever it is going to.



Nuvendil said:


It's my fault for even bothering since you don't know the full conversation. I noticed it when you said it wasn't about whether something was interesting, well that's the JWein has been saying and since you're trying to defend him, it's obvious you didn't know that he said that. You joined a conversation without any context. You don't know what we've been talking about since the beginning.



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JWeinCom said:
Thank you for letting us know. Not to be rude, but it seems like many of the things you're posting simply do not need their own thread.

I have read some of the debate. I was immediately drawn to this thread as I am interested in XCX but doubt that I will have the time or the skills to play this game.

Concerning other threads created by Nintation360 I find them good enough. "I never played The Legend of Zelda without a walkthrough before. Am I the only one?" is a question that is relevant for me as a mediocre gamer.

I understad that Nintation360 is from Canada (assuming english is first or second language) but I find the written english is not the best. However I find that many with english as their native language are quite sloppy with their writing.