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I'm one of those people that love SW, but dislike the prequels. I recently tried to do a marathon of all 6 films in order in the run up to my Darth PS4 arrival, but I couldn't bare sit through episodes 1 & 2.

3 is my favourite from the prequels by a long shot and I agree with OP that some of the lightsaber fights were badass - some not all. I remember the Yoga one where he goes all Flubber ninja that left we thinking wow and laughing at the same time.

The original trilogy sword fights especially Obi Wan's with Darth was pretty awful.



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dyremose said:
Fight sabers does look cool and the war parts in the prequels are more impressive visually. As a kid I loved the prequels and I still like them, but going back you can now see how cringe worthy a lot of the acting is. They are still good movies, but lacks the charm from the original trilogy


Yes the special effects in the prequels are better - duh duh duh.

 

But the stories make absolutely no sense, there are plot holes everywhere, and no character is likable and they all have nonsensical motivations.



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I'm not a hater, but I don't like a lot the prequel.

There is this scene in Empire Strikes back, Luke come, the doors shut with a disturbing sound, the scene is suddenly enlightened in orange, and finally Darth Vader appears surrounded with blue smoke, in the foreground we can still see the orange light, he's so massive and impressive, you feel how much work there was on the atmosphere, timing, etc.. Even the speed of the light saber opening are different, fast and nervous for Luke, slow and powerful for Darth Vader, there so much tension. And then the fight start, and perhaps that is because there is this kind of ghostly atmosphere, perhaps because they appears like shadow play, perhaps because each throw is short and powerful, perhaps because Darth Vader just has an incredible design and voice, but I really feel I'm seeing a deadly jedi fight. That's really a scene I love a lot. I've never felt anything like that in the prequel, in fact I can feel how much there are in the safe environment of a studio surrounded with blue screens, stuntmen and everything added afterward by computers. I don't really care that they can show 30 minutes of acrobatic and technically perfect FX, 100 time better on any technical perspective, there is not this attention to significant details, this atmosphere, this wonderful design, in a story and with characters you care about.

But you can tell me, in the last light saber duel, episode 3, can you remember anything you felt was great in the scene ? You close your eyes, imagine the scene, do you feel any specific and fascinating atmosphere ? Myself, I can't, even if it was quite a good show.

I'm talking about this scene in episode 5, btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F9_x0DWiUs



I also agree that the prequels get too much hate. They're definitely flawed though. My biggest problem with them is the writing and George Lucas's unwillingness to give up some degree of control. The actors they got were actually good actors. It's just that George Lucas isn't a good writer. He pretty much knew this but wouldn't hand the writing duties over to anyone else. Jar Jar is an example of this. I understand what his purpose and role was supposed to be and his character wasn't a bad idea but the execution was poor. Other than that, the movies were fine with episode III being the best of the prequels.

Haters also forget the criticisms that the older movies used to get. When A New Hope came out, a lot of fans and critics did not like R2-D2 and C3PO. They were seen as being too comedic. The Empire Strikes Back had received average reviews at the time of it's release with many critics calling it a slow, boring film. Fans at the time hated that Yoda, the master of all Jedi was nothing more than a muppet. Return of the Jedi was heavily criticize for having too much puppetry and long before Jar Jar, the Ewoks were the single most hated thing in all of Star Wars.

So yes, even the so-called perfect trilogy wasn't considered perfect when they were new.



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I enjoy watching the prequel except the first one I kind of wish Disney would do something with episode 1 like put it through a serious remaster/edit to make it watchable



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97alexk said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

The justification for the prequel's lightsaber fights being over choreographed is the argument that story wise, light saber fights don't make that much sense being so dynamic. At least in the mythos set by the original films.

Action wise it's an amazing spectacle, but at the same time it makes it hard to convey any emotional character through them.

At the same time, that actually makes sense because Jedi's are supposed to keep their emotions at bay, you would expect emotional under trained jedi like Luke to be more sloppy then Anakin or Obiwan.

But there are a lot more problems with the prequels than just the lightsabers. Granted, the issues mainly arise when you consider the films in the canon rather than standalone. And the fact, that Lucas pulled things from the trilogy that made no sense in the prequels, like the padawan training.

I think it makes alot of sense, the padawan training? how doesnt that make sense? also i dont see the dialogues bad, or even the acting, or the story. they are all fine to me. Yes even the famous. I dont like sand, and that. I DONT MIND IT! WHen i watch it, i seriously dont see how people react so bad over it. Its just a dialogue. That people can say. Its possible. Acting wasnt bad at all, Hayden christensen did a great job to perform anakin, as a fuel hatred jedi, who becomes a sith and just unleashes his fears and anger he had inside him, if you are as powerful as him, you would want this. Then as he became darth vader he became much more mature in a way, and became even more bad-ass, thats called AGING. And there were way more emotions imo in the anakin vs obiwan fight than any other. The emotions in both were giving me goosebumps. With the epic music in the background. Also the prequels gave us cool planets. Awsome things. I know alot of greenscreen, but it looked cool. The kamino planet felt real, the only time i noticed there was a green screen kinda was at the jedi temple in episode 3. Utapau, the new weapons, factions etc are awsome.

Specifically the padawan training. As children they are standing really close together wielding lightsabers, blindfolded. The very same lightsabers, that are capable of melting through hardened steel effortlessly. The equivalent today would be children, standing close together, blind folded playing with swords, that are also on fire, and that's still not as dangerous as the padawan training.

Even without the first series of films, this scene is just poorly constructed, they should be spread out if their going to waggle a death beams around while blindfolded. Hell, even if they were gifted with the force, that wouldn't automatically give them the experience on how to use a lightsaber, if it did they wouldn't be in training in the first place.

There was really no need for them to have lightsabers, the most important part of being a Jedi is controlling the force. Shouldn't they be learning the force first?

 

With regards to your other "comments" your just spewing out defense about everything other than what I'm actually talking about...Overdefensive much?

Just because you notice the flaws in something and have criticism of it, doesn't mean you don't like it. And just because something is fine to you doesn't automatically make the people who dislike it mindless haters

My Favorite Star Wars movie is Episode 3, but that doesn't mean I am blind to criticism of it, in fact I have a lot of critisim of it.

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Part of film is selling the viewer that the action is real. Too much of modern action film comes across as either fake or incomprehensible. The second part is understanding that action without context can be impressive, but emotional lacking.

The original films stayed within themselves and focused on characters. Each fight has an expressed purpose with lighting and music setting mood. Vader dominating Luke at cloud city had a narrative point, just like Luke losing his cool on Vader on the death star and letting lose. These scenes stick with me because they had emotional punch. Father and son, redemption, these aspects gave weight to the action.

The prequels felt like watching ballet. Physically impressive, but the disconnect between accepting the action as believable. Why do I care if "bad red guy with horns" who has no character wins or not against two wooden jedis to resolve...a trade dispute? Then take the scene where Maul kills Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan is upset so I get ready for a real brawl...and we get a a continued fight where each blow feels calculated and frankly boring.

You can argue to an extent these are subjective preference. I dislike rapid editing and cuts, shaky cam, close ups, and lack of impact on hits. I enjoy long wide steady shots that let me see and feel the action, I'd use "the hallway scene" from Old Boy as one I loved. I also need characters I am invested in their struggle with a compelling narrative. I don't see this as "hating" as this standard is one I apply to any film and I won't approve or disapprove of a film simply because I enjoyed previous entries.

Feel free to enjoy Episodes 1-3, if you like the characters, story and action, that is fine. I found nothing in them that resonated with me is all. I don't understand why you like them, but tons of films people love I don't and vice versa. I hope Episode VII is great, but if not oh well.



97alexk said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

The justification for the prequel's lightsaber fights being over choreographed is the argument that story wise, light saber fights don't make that much sense being so dynamic. At least in the mythos set by the original films.

Action wise it's an amazing spectacle, but at the same time it makes it hard to convey any emotional character through them.

At the same time, that actually makes sense because Jedi's are supposed to keep their emotions at bay, you would expect emotional under trained jedi like Luke to be more sloppy then Anakin or Obiwan.

But there are a lot more problems with the prequels than just the lightsabers. Granted, the issues mainly arise when you consider the films in the canon rather than standalone. And the fact, that Lucas pulled things from the trilogy that made no sense in the prequels, like the padawan training.

I think it makes alot of sense, the padawan training? how doesnt that make sense? also i dont see the dialogues bad, or even the acting, or the story. they are all fine to me. Yes even the famous. I dont like sand, and that. I DONT MIND IT! WHen i watch it, i seriously dont see how people react so bad over it. Its just a dialogue. That people can say. Its possible. Acting wasnt bad at all, Hayden christensen did a great job to perform anakin, as a fuel hatred jedi, who becomes a sith and just unleashes his fears and anger he had inside him, if you are as powerful as him, you would want this. Then as he became darth vader he became much more mature in a way, and became even more bad-ass, thats called AGING. And there were way more emotions imo in the anakin vs obiwan fight than any other. The emotions in both were giving me goosebumps. With the epic music in the background. Also the prequels gave us cool planets. Awsome things. I know alot of greenscreen, but it looked cool. The kamino planet felt real, the only time i noticed there was a green screen kinda was at the jedi temple in episode 3. Utapau, the new weapons, factions etc are awsome.

I just don't think a major chunk of people will ever agree with you. 

Personally, I HATED Anakin in the second and third movies. He ruined the prequel series more than Jar-Jar binks did for me.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
97alexk said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

The justification for the prequel's lightsaber fights being over choreographed is the argument that story wise, light saber fights don't make that much sense being so dynamic. At least in the mythos set by the original films.

Action wise it's an amazing spectacle, but at the same time it makes it hard to convey any emotional character through them.

At the same time, that actually makes sense because Jedi's are supposed to keep their emotions at bay, you would expect emotional under trained jedi like Luke to be more sloppy then Anakin or Obiwan.

But there are a lot more problems with the prequels than just the lightsabers. Granted, the issues mainly arise when you consider the films in the canon rather than standalone. And the fact, that Lucas pulled things from the trilogy that made no sense in the prequels, like the padawan training.

I think it makes alot of sense, the padawan training? how doesnt that make sense? also i dont see the dialogues bad, or even the acting, or the story. they are all fine to me. Yes even the famous. I dont like sand, and that. I DONT MIND IT! WHen i watch it, i seriously dont see how people react so bad over it. Its just a dialogue. That people can say. Its possible. Acting wasnt bad at all, Hayden christensen did a great job to perform anakin, as a fuel hatred jedi, who becomes a sith and just unleashes his fears and anger he had inside him, if you are as powerful as him, you would want this. Then as he became darth vader he became much more mature in a way, and became even more bad-ass, thats called AGING. And there were way more emotions imo in the anakin vs obiwan fight than any other. The emotions in both were giving me goosebumps. With the epic music in the background. Also the prequels gave us cool planets. Awsome things. I know alot of greenscreen, but it looked cool. The kamino planet felt real, the only time i noticed there was a green screen kinda was at the jedi temple in episode 3. Utapau, the new weapons, factions etc are awsome.

Specifically the padawan training. As children they are standing really close together wielding lightsabers, blindfolded. The very same lightsabers, that are capable of melting through hardened steel effortlessly. The equivalent today would be children, standing close together, blind folded playing with swords, that are also on fire, and that's still not as dangerous as the padawan training.

Even without the first series of films, this scene is just poorly constructed, they should be spread out if their going to waggle a death beams around while blindfolded. Hell, even if they were gifted with the force, that wouldn't automatically give them the experience on how to use a lightsaber, if it did they wouldn't be in training in the first place.

There was really no need for them to have lightsabers, the most important part of being a Jedi is controlling the force. Shouldn't they be learning the force first?

 

With regards to your other "comments" your just spewing out defense about everything other than what I'm actually talking about...Overdefensive much?

Just because you notice the flaws in something and have criticism of it, doesn't mean you don't like it. And just because something is fine to you doesn't automatically make the people who dislike it mindless haters

I have nothing against when peope dislike. but this is just dumb disliking, that is SAID EVERY TIME on a star wars video. Yeah yeah, you made a joke about how bad the prequels are, just like the 5000 other people ''(quoting on someone elses comment')'' its fun and all, but its very unjustified, im just against all things that are very very unfair. And this is one of the instances. Children who train with lightsabers in a room all have the force. They still need jedi training. If you look at the clone wars series you can see many jedis are taking as babies and discplined from the beginning. They are not mindless kids that just swoosh around the lightsaber, they are learned to have control over it. The blindfolds let them see better, beleive it or not. That is also said in episode 4. They should feel the force flow through them. Also theres a big difference between a galaxy far far away, and the kids on this planet. Lol.

Also those other comments are made in advance so i can explain why i like it so much. Its for a better overall understanding.

Mindless hating i mean, is sometimes true, because as i explained, and even on the title of thread. Prequel ''haters'' take it too far just to FURTHER improve their arguments against people who might defend the prequels. Its a bandwagon. Its hard to believe everyone who saw lets say episode 3 in theatres or at all, would just suddenly think this way like the prequel haters. More they are fed up with the same arguments, the more they believe it. Thats standard and logical.



The original trilogy has always been much better in my opinion here are my main points

Lightsaber fights - The lightsaber fight between Luke and Vader showed so much emotion and you could feel the tension in the room and feel the fear Luke had just from his emotions on his face

Writing/exposition - The writing in the original trilogy is bounds and leaps better than the prequels and the prequels have much more exposition in the movies (I&II mostly)

Acting - The only gripe I have is Anakin's casting choice for the actor, the rest were great

Blue Screen - using actual models in the original trilogy for special effects has in some cases (exception of most of III) looked better than CGI effects in the prequels imo

But overall enjoy the prequels however find the love arc in episode II boring, making AotC my least favorite but the original trilogy is leaps and bounds better than the prequels