By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Movies & TV - Star wars prequel haters hit a new level of low.

d21lewis said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
coolbeans said:

Acting certainly, but writing?  There's a lot of shit, whether it be stupidity or pacing, within IM 2+3 that plummets to whatever level you're considering for the prequels if we're trying to act "objective" about this.

yes writing.  There's no sand monologue or yippies in Iron Man 2 and 3.  Also quit trying to put Iron Man 2 and 3 on the same level as each other.  2 is clearly inferior.  The only people who act like 3 is a bad film at all are the ones who are pissed at the Mandarin twist because Marvel outsmarted them and hid it from the marketing team because god forbid anyone actually conceal their twist instead of revealing it a la Terminator Genesis (not spelling it their way)

https://youtu.be/YNcJPxjoxF0

Luckily this one was fine by Cinemasins fans or it would have probably been muuuuch longer.

they sin good movies.  I love their work and honest trailers but they're going to insult the film regardless of quality.



I am Iron Man

Around the Network
DivinePaladin said:
All 6 movies are very much flawed, but that's the only part of your comment I have issue with. I love the Star Wars movies but objectively they're all (minus Empire) pretty average if not worse than that. But I'm not gonna say anything more because this thread is about to explode with OT fanatics tearing you to shreds for liking something different.


You're one hundred percent right. The movies are all okay, especially if you're a kid. Why so many adults revere them is beyond me.



George Lucas just got lazy/out of touch as a storyteller ... directing/writing isn't something you have a finite energy for. Lots of directors when they get later on in their career simply "lose it". Francis Ford Coppolla, Brian De Palma are other notably huge directors from the 70s who's output really got terrible as time went on, Lucas is the same story. 

George turned himself into "Mr. Mom" after his divorce which I believe devastated him. He was never the same guy after that.

He made the prequels for his 9 year old son, but really Star Wars was never about that. It was more of a space Western/opera with very dark undertones, what Lucas made with the prequels were cartoons basically.

And not even particularily great cartoons. The Clone Wars TV series does a better job of telling the story of Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi and Padme/Amidala than the movies do.

The prequels we got were not the same prequels a 35-40 year old Lucas would have made. We got movies made by a fat/lazy 55-60 year old family-man Lucas who was just going through the motions and had lost all his edge. Don't get me wrong, he's a great guy ... he just can't bring it as a storyteller anymore. 

The last Indiana Jones, which had a script that he had to personally approve was crap too. Not even Spielberg could save it. 



I noticed for the OP's post they decided to base it entirely off the lightsabre combat. The prequels were terrible because everything about them was lifeless and shallow to include the lightsabre fights. The prequels were like The Order 1886 and Ryse Son Of Rome, they may have looked pretty, but had absolutey no depth. It felt like the events in them (Anakin and Obi Wan's friendship, Anakin turning to the dark side) were GREAAAAAAAATLY rushed, showed no development, and in the end felt like the only reason they happened is because they had to due to how things were in episode IV-VI.



Star Wars isn't the only movie to suffer from this.

The Matrix, which stole a lot of Episode I's thunder in 1999 is another story of the same thing.

The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions have much more elaborate fight scenes ... Neo is fighting 100000 Agent Smiths!

But the fight scenes are stupid and silly, they lack any of the danger and tension the original Matrix had where they did a great job in making the Agents seem like superhuman killing machines and that fighting with them was an inevitable defeat/death. That creates something called TEN-SION, which leads to DRA-MA ... something you kinda need in a good movie. 

This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT3GnJStVEw

Is better than this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXaRtc1f4I



Around the Network
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
d21lewis said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
coolbeans said:

Acting certainly, but writing?  There's a lot of shit, whether it be stupidity or pacing, within IM 2+3 that plummets to whatever level you're considering for the prequels if we're trying to act "objective" about this.

yes writing.  There's no sand monologue or yippies in Iron Man 2 and 3.  Also quit trying to put Iron Man 2 and 3 on the same level as each other.  2 is clearly inferior.  The only people who act like 3 is a bad film at all are the ones who are pissed at the Mandarin twist because Marvel outsmarted them and hid it from the marketing team because god forbid anyone actually conceal their twist instead of revealing it a la Terminator Genesis (not spelling it their way)

https://youtu.be/YNcJPxjoxF0

Luckily this one was fine by Cinemasins fans or it would have probably been muuuuch longer.

they sin good movies.  I love their work and honest trailers but they're going to insult the film regardless of quality.

I know.

And for the record, despite me normally having amazing taste in movies, I actually enjoyed all the Iron Man films. Even the second one.  You just hurt me by attacking Star Wars so I lashed out. Sorry. I'm calm, now.



The first Iron Man wasn't a seminal genre-changing film though. It was a fun popcorn movie that didn't have to follow up anything, but that's about it.

Any new Star Wars movie is going to be put up against the expectations of the originals. That's just how it is.



I like ep 1,2,3 as well. Though they have plenty of faults, especially ep1.

- anakin should have been closer to padame age... like 15, whole story makes a lot more sense with this change.
- jar jar should have been toned down a lot. gungans are an interesting race, but jar jar is just too stupid.
- no need to introduce c3p0 as a naked bot. that was just silly.
- midichlorians are absolute trash. there was no need to attempt and scientifically explain the force. just stupid.

That's all i can think of off the top of my head. ep2 and 3 were done much, much better with fewer items i would deem as bad choices or negatively impacting the SW anakin arch.

My favorites are ep 5, 3, 4, 6, 2, 1.



I love Batman. He's awesome, but I can admit the Schumacher ones were not to my tastes. The same with the Star Wars prequels. They were made for a younger audience and felt more like toy commercials than movies. I don't think being critical makes someone a hater or enjoying something makes someone a fanboy. People want different things from a series.



the Star Wars prequels are terrible

the acting is rubbish, the cast is beyond mediocre outside of the Emperor and (maybe er maybe) Obi Wan, the plots are ridiculously incoherent even when compared to ones like the Death Star in the original series (which was just vague), and the dialogue is absolutely terrible

also literally all of the scenes in the prequels are made with CGI backgrounds. talk about lazy and gross

there is this awesome Star Wars prequel review/analysis on Youtube by this guy who likes pizza rolls that I would encourage to everyone

 

even Episode 3, although better than 1/2, is pretty freaking bad. like the end film effects are cool and there is some interesting dialogue between Obi Wan and Anakin but it just goes on too long

what makes the prequels so bad is that Star Wars is one of the strongest franchises in terms of lore and possibilities. you can do practically anything with it, there is a whole universe. 

the prequels are the opposite of the originals in quality unfortunately :/ 

its one thing to claim you LIKE the prequels, but to claim they aren't bad is just silly