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solidpumar on 26 November 2015

Word of mouth will save it. If not, Ps4/PC version will.



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ryuzaki57 on 26 November 2015

Ah ah ah! This estimate... RTR bomba in UK, didn't chart in France or Germany, and if this is even remotely true it's gonna be Crystal Dynamics's biggest mistake ever. They had it coming, well-deserved punishment.



 

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Phronesis on 26 November 2015

Everytime Microsoft makes exclusivity deals publishers fails to make good profits. Everytime Sony does, like Black Ops 3 or Star Wars, it is a good deal.

I don't care if this game flops. That will teach them not making bad decisions.



3DS, Wii, PSP, Vita, PS2, PS3, PS4 & Steam.

Mystro-Sama on 26 November 2015
gintama said:
Mystro-Sama said:
It deserves to die. This business practice needs to be discouraged.

so , SF:V need to die too ?


Its launching on both platforms same day. They even made it clear it was never coming to xbox so no one is waiting for anything, none of this run around secret bs.



Symbolic on 26 November 2015
jason1637 said:
Symbolic said:

Fallout 3 launched against Guitar Hero: World Tour and LittleBigPlanet (and a week after Fable II) and sold 576,000 units in the US (400k X360, 176k PS3). Lifetime sales in the US are 4.78 million (2.95m X360, 1.83m PS3).

Tomb Raider launched against SimCity, Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 and two MLB titles and sold 417,000 units in the US (214k X360, 175k PS3, 28k PC). Lifetime sales in the US are 1.30 million (770k X360, 537k PS3 (PC data is incomplete)).

So, if Fallout 3 sold 3.6 times as many copies as Tomb Raider (Fallout 3 has been on sale longer, but looks like it had significantly better legs than Tomb Raider as well judging by YoY drops), is it really surprising to see Fallout 4 massively outsell Rise of the Tomb Raider? I think the degree of the difference is a little more than most would have expected, but virtually everyone should have expected a roughly similar outcome. Tomb Raider is restricted to one current console (and not the market leader), had controversies of timed exclusivity (with confirmed PC and PS4 releases before the Xbox releases had even happened) and microtransactions and is competing with some of the largest and most hyped IPs in the entire industry (Call of Duty, Fallout and Halo).

Its on 360 as well

I know. I said "current console", implying PlayStation 4, Xbox One and/or Wii U. Sure, both Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are still somewhat 'current' in that they're still being manufactured and sold, but the majority of the core audience has already moved on to the newer platforms.

Regardless, including the 38k X360 sales in the US makes very little difference to the discussion here. 143k between two platforms is still pretty damn poor for an opening week -- it's lower than Tomb Raider's opening on either Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 and it's still 7.7 times less than Fallout 4 on Xbox One alone.



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pitzy272 on 26 November 2015
ryuzaki57 said:
Ah ah ah! This estimate... RTR bomba in UK, didn't chart in France or Germany, and if this is even remotely true it's gonna be Crystal Dynamics's biggest mistake ever. They had it coming, well-deserved punishment.


What were the official numbers in the UK?



Nautilus on 26 November 2015

It should do well in the long run.Not only because it is going to be in other platforms, but because i think it will have legs on XOne.FW was hurt because of releasing close to Fallout 4 and Black Ops(announcing before the release that a PS4 version was comming also hurt it), but i think word of mouth will eventually convince people who own an Xbox to buy the game.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

jason1637 on 26 November 2015
Symbolic said:
jason1637 said:
Symbolic said:

Fallout 3 launched against Guitar Hero: World Tour and LittleBigPlanet (and a week after Fable II) and sold 576,000 units in the US (400k X360, 176k PS3). Lifetime sales in the US are 4.78 million (2.95m X360, 1.83m PS3).

Tomb Raider launched against SimCity, Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 and two MLB titles and sold 417,000 units in the US (214k X360, 175k PS3, 28k PC). Lifetime sales in the US are 1.30 million (770k X360, 537k PS3 (PC data is incomplete)).

So, if Fallout 3 sold 3.6 times as many copies as Tomb Raider (Fallout 3 has been on sale longer, but looks like it had significantly better legs than Tomb Raider as well judging by YoY drops), is it really surprising to see Fallout 4 massively outsell Rise of the Tomb Raider? I think the degree of the difference is a little more than most would have expected, but virtually everyone should have expected a roughly similar outcome. Tomb Raider is restricted to one current console (and not the market leader), had controversies of timed exclusivity (with confirmed PC and PS4 releases before the Xbox releases had even happened) and microtransactions and is competing with some of the largest and most hyped IPs in the entire industry (Call of Duty, Fallout and Halo).

Its on 360 as well

I know. I said "current console", implying PlayStation 4, Xbox One and/or Wii U. Sure, both Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are still somewhat 'current' in that they're still being manufactured and sold, but the majority of the core audience has already moved on to the newer platforms.

Regardless, including the 38k X360 sales in the US makes very little difference to the discussion here. 143k between two platforms is still pretty damn poor for an opening week -- it's lower than Tomb Raider's opening on either Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 and it's still 7.7 times less than Fallout 4 on Xbox One alone.


Ok i misunderstood then.



ryuzaki57 on 26 November 2015
pitzy272 said:
ryuzaki57 said:
Ah ah ah! This estimate... RTR bomba in UK, didn't chart in France or Germany, and if this is even remotely true it's gonna be Crystal Dynamics's biggest mistake ever. They had it coming, well-deserved punishment.

What were the official numbers in the UK?

Estimates were < 58K FW



 

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Capulous on 26 November 2015

Look at the other games that were release are this time. All of them are bigger than Tomb Raider. Considering the numbers from the launch of the previous iteration, with the install base they had, it may not be as bad as some are trying to make it sound. Only time will tell; perhaps wait for some holiday numbers first?