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poklane said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Why the fuck would they do this though?... Doesn't the US use their airspace all the time too?

US is allowed to, Russia isn't. And Turkey was done with Russia's bullshit, rightfully so.


Turkey is the same country who is a repeat offender of Syrian and Greek airspace and have even defined themselves a 5km area of Syrian airspace for "protection". NATO will probably be focused on defusing tensions and Putin will make the energy interests of Erdogan in Syria ten times harder. It was a bad political move all around, no matter how much you try to spin it.



 

 

 

 

 

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Official info.

- Today at 10:24 Msk RF's Su-24M bomber was downed during its military mission over the Syrian airspace by Turkish F-16 fighter jet.
- No attempts to contact crew of downed bomber were recorded on our side.
- Su-24M was hit over Syrian territory, crash site is 4km from the Turkish border.
- Both pilots ejected safely, one presumably dead* due to gunfire from earth.
- According to our records Su-24M never left Syrian airspace during its mission, Syrian airspace control supports that.
- According to radar recon of the Hmeimim airbase attacking Turish jet has violated Syrian airspace.
- This violates the airspace security over Syrian territory treaty signed between RF and US, which includes Turkey and rest of coalition.
- We puzzeld by Turkish attempts to conduct NATO conversations over the incident instead of contacting RF representatives.
- Two Mi-8's have been sent for SAR operation over suggested crash site.
- One of them emergency landed due to damages received from gunfire from land, one marine is reported dead.
- Crew and rest of the marines evacuated, damaged Mi-8 destroyed on land.
- All RF's strike aircrafts from now on will be escorted by fighter jets on their missions.
- "Moskva" cruiser, equipped by S-300, will be put on duty to up air defence in the region over the Syrian coastline.
- All targets that pose potential threat to the RF airforce will be destroyed.
- All contacts with Turkish military representatives are stopped.

* The information in the opening post is wrong btw, that wasn't Sergey Rumyantsev. Supposedely his name is Eldar Saifutdinov.



Sharu said:
poklane said:

Sharu said:
USA tells that russian jet was in Turkeys air 'for seconds'.Ten warnings, you say?

Warnings are given if an airplane within a certain range of Turkish territory starts heading for Turkish territory.

1. Information on pilots is different. I hope the guys are alive.

2. Ok. Then tell me who can make a decision to shoot down russian jet in 10 seconds? The command should be given to turkish pilots before thev volation then. Which again shows Turkey in a very strange light.

3. On the information we have in Russia, Turkish ministry defence don't gets on contact regarding the matter, even on the emergency lines.

The instructions on what to do in case of airspace violations could have been given beforehand. And ten warnings should be enough, even if the violation is only a few seconds. If you violate the airspace even after ten warnings, you're practically begging to be shot down. In a normal situation I wouldn't consider even a longer violation very problematic, but Turkey has been warning Russia for a good while now about airspace violations, and the plane was warned enough times. In a tense situation with no respect for national borders, this outcome was only a matter of time.

That's of course assuming the plane really flew in Tuskish airspace. So far the signs seem to hint towards the plane flying in Turkish airspace, even if only for a short while.

Naum said:
So the turks shot down the plane and the syrian rebels shot the pilot while he was using his parachute?

Yeah. Basically a bunch of douchebags is hopefully going to lose support from whoever is supporting them (which is probably the west).



This will give easy justification to down any turks near Syrian airspace and good riddance.



Zkuq said:
Sharu said:
poklane said:

Sharu said:
USA tells that russian jet was in Turkeys air 'for seconds'.Ten warnings, you say?

Warnings are given if an airplane within a certain range of Turkish territory starts heading for Turkish territory.

1. Information on pilots is different. I hope the guys are alive.

2. Ok. Then tell me who can make a decision to shoot down russian jet in 10 seconds? The command should be given to turkish pilots before thev volation then. Which again shows Turkey in a very strange light.

3. On the information we have in Russia, Turkish ministry defence don't gets on contact regarding the matter, even on the emergency lines.

The instructions on what to do in case of airspace violations could have been given beforehand. And ten warnings should be enough, even if the violation is only a few seconds. If you violate the airspace even after ten warnings, you're practically begging to be shot down. In a normal situation I wouldn't consider even a longer violation very problematic, but Turkey has been warning Russia for a good while now about airspace violations, and the plane was warned enough times. In a tense situation with no respect for national borders, this outcome was only a matter of time.

That's of course assuming the plane really flew in Tuskish airspace. So far the signs seem to hint towards the plane flying in Turkish airspace, even if only for a short while.

Naum said:
So the turks shot down the plane and the syrian rebels shot the pilot while he was using his parachute?

Yeah. Basically a bunch of douchebags is hopefully going to lose support from whoever is supporting them (which is probably the west).

Turky is supporting the people that fired at the parachuting Pilots.  Those are their sponsored anti Assad terrorists.  

Given airspeed and tiny length of Turk airspace the Su24 might have flow through, there is no way ten warning were given while it was actually in Turk airspace.  To small a space and to fast its speed for that to be legit.  

Imo hope we may see Flankers going to town on the Turks fighter aircraft now.  



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Diablos said:
This will give easy justification to down any turks near Syrian airspace and good riddance.

In, not near. Shooting down Turkish aircraft near Syrian territory would be nothing short of attacking Turkey.



poklane said:
Diablos said:
This will give easy justification to down any turks near Syrian airspace and good riddance.

In, not near. Shooting down Turkish aircraft near Syrian territory would be nothing short of attacking Turkey.


And downing the Su24 was what ?

Near is still a threat, and not like Turkey really can do anything if Russia starts downing their aircraft near the border.  Neither NAto (a joke really) nor americans are getting into shooting with Russians.  West is already sanctioning Russia.  



haxxiy said:
poklane said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Why the fuck would they do this though?... Doesn't the US use their airspace all the time too?

US is allowed to, Russia isn't. And Turkey was done with Russia's bullshit, rightfully so.


Turkey is the same country who is a repeat offender of Syrian and Greek airspace and have even defined themselves a 5km area of Syrian airspace for "protection". NATO will probably be focused on defusing tensions and Putin will make the energy interests of Erdogan in Syria ten times harder. It was a bad political move all around, no matter how much you try to spin it.

Exactly. If we shot down every turkish airplane that got in our airspace, Turkey would be out of planes by now.



Diablos said:
poklane said:
Diablos said:
This will give easy justification to down any turks near Syrian airspace and good riddance.

In, not near. Shooting down Turkish aircraft near Syrian territory would be nothing short of attacking Turkey.

And downing the Su24 was what ?

Near is still a threat, and not like Turkey really can do anything if Russia starts downing their aircraft near the border.  Neither NAto (a joke really) nor americans are getting into shooting with Russians.  West is already sanctioning Russia.  

Turkey exercising its right after a Russian jet invaded its airspace.

And near might be a threat, that doesn't mean you have the right to down it. By that awful fucking logic Turkey has the right to sink the Russian destroyed, because it's a threat to Turkey.

And if you honestly think NATO is a joke I'll have 0 reason to respect any of your opinions, NATO is the single largest and powerful military alliance humanity has ever witnessed by a longshot and could wipe any threat of the map within the hour. If Turkey gets attacked by Russia, something you're hoping will happen, I'm hoping Turkey will invoke Article 5 against Russia and we'll see a NATO invasion Russia, which would be completely within NATO's right.





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