Angelv577 said: So some people are still hanging on digital sales with the hope that halo 5 sales haven't under performed or sold below expectations compare to its predecessors. Guys it doesn't matter how you slice it, even if the game sold very well, it's in fact below expectations. First week WW sales: halo 3: 3.81 halo 4: 3.66 The numbers that we got from NPD and UK are: US: 935k with bundles Uk: 150k Total: 1,085m If vgchartz estimate is close to real numbers at retail, that means that the rest of the world numbers (countries that xb1 has barely userbase) are: 1.5m-1.085m=415k for the rest of the world I am having a hard time believing the rest of the world numbers considering xb1 userbase elsewhere but I guess those numbers comes from the 28% ratio allocated to those countries based on prior halo's. Assuming 1.5m is in fact what halo 5 sold FW at retail WW 1.5m * 1.20 (20%)= 1.8m 1.5m * 1.30 (30%)=1.95m ( digital ratio above average) 1.5m * 1.40 (40%)=2.1m (way above average) 1.5m * 1.45 (45%)=2.18m (way way above average) 1.5m * 1.50 (50%)=2.25m (unreasonable) It doesn't matter how you slice it, halo 5 sold way less than halo 3 and halo 4 FW. Sure halo 3 had more days in their first NPD but if you allocate somes sales to cover for those days, it still doesn't make up for the difference. Waiting for any MS numbers regarding to digital sales is a waste of time because everyone know it's not gonna happen. When there are numbers unfavorable that can be compare with other numbers, MS have a tendency of hiding those numbers (I'm looking at you xb1) so let leave it at halo 5 sold very well but it's not what it used to be and move on.

Just to let u know ur math is wrong.

if a game sells 1.5 million retail and 50% of its sells are digital that makes 3 million not 2.25. 2.25 million would be 25%

Nope no way, 20% i can some what believe but 50% is just too much!
the Fallout 4 sold 1.8M Digitally on both consoles AND STEAM. But i bet the physical copies of the games are more than 5 times of that numbers.

hudsoniscool said: Angelv577 said: So some people are still hanging on digital sales with the hope that halo 5 sales haven't under performed or sold below expectations compare to its predecessors. Guys it doesn't matter how you slice it, even if the game sold very well, it's in fact below expectations. First week WW sales: halo 3: 3.81 halo 4:  The numbers that we got from NPD and UK are: US: 935k with bundles Uk: 150k Total: 1,085m If vgchartz estimate is close to real numbers at retail, that means that the rest of the world numbers (countries that xb1 has barely userbase) are: 1.5m-1.085m=415k for the rest of the world I am having a hard time believing the rest of the world numbers considering xb1 userbase elsewhere but I guess those numbers comes from the 28% ratio allocated to those countries based on prior halo's. Assuming 1.5m is in fact what halo 5 sold FW at retail WW 1.5m * 1.20 (20%)= 1.8m 1.5m * 1.30 (30%)=1.95m ( digital ratio above average) 1.5m * 1.40 (40%)=2.1m (way above average) 1.5m * 1.45 (45%)=2.18m (way way above average) 1.5m * 1.50 (50%)=2.25m (unreasonable) It doesn't matter how you slice it, halo 5 sold way less than halo 3 and halo 4 FW. Sure halo 3 had more days in their first NPD but if you allocate somes sales to cover for those days, it still doesn't make up for the difference. Waiting for any MS numbers regarding to digital sales is a waste of time because everyone know it's not gonna happen. When there are numbers unfavorable that can be compare with other numbers, MS have a tendency of hiding those numbers (I'm looking at you xb1) so let leave it at halo 5 sold very well but it's not what it used to be and move on. Just to let u know ur math is wrongif a game sells 1.5 million retail and 50% of its sells are digital that makes

50% of 3m= 1.5m,  what you are saying here is that total retail sales were 3m and that 50% of that(half) is digital. what we are looking here is attach rate of total retail sales which is 1.5m, not 3m.  that brings us at 1.5m * .50=750k,  1.5m + 750k= 2.25m same as 1.5m * 1.50=2.25m.  Are you sure my math is wrong. if we know for sure that digital is less than retail then we have to use digital attach ratio of total retail sales.  its the same way to calculate sales tax, if sales tax is 7% out of $1= 7 cents which can be calculate as $1*1.07= 1.07 or 1*.07=.07+1=1.07 which is 1 dollar and 7 cents..  attach ratio was 7% per each dollar= 7 cents or per each dollar,you have to add 7 cents which mean that if you have $2, sales tax will be 14cents but attach ratio is still 7%. 2*.07=.14+2= 2.14 or 2* 1.07=2.14

The only way my math was wrong is that instead of applying 50% to total retail sales, I apply 50% to total sales(digital+retail).  in this case, we have 1.5m retail which is one half, the other half is digital or to put easier 1.5m retail(50%) + 1.5m digital(the other 50%)=3m.  this doesnt make sense to me because that's like saying it sold the same amount in both and as far as I know retail is still nuch bigger than digital.

kowenicki said: So digital uptake has suddenly flatlined? Good to know. Come on. We ALL know this is garbage.  Digital uptake is increasing massively this gen over last gen and I would not be surprised to eventually see retrospective data that showed it accelerated as the this gen progressed.  I think a few titles have the ability to drive that digital uptake too.  Halo is one such title that could do that. Gamestop has a vested interest in denying the rise of digitial, surely? They want to pereptuate the digital is unpopular and bad mantra.  I also didnt realise Gamestop where now a strong hold of ethics and honesty.

 

 

so digital sales for halo massivily spiked to 50%? good to know.

 

No, this is not garbage, this is reality, and one you seem to be have a hard time living in. you have NO data what so ever to support the claim that Halo 5 sold 50% digital, other than your bias and wishful thinking.

 

@underlined: i didnt know you were either. 

gamestop lied about digital halo sales to try make them selfs look better. even though in the same article they went on to say that Halo, Assassins Creed and Battlefront all underperformed at retail, which also makes them look bad. but wait, they are lying about Halo 5's digital, because thats whats going to make them look bad. not 3 big games from the holidays underperforming at retail, surely.

@bolded:. No its not, not anymore. 

 

 

 

and my my, this just released.

 

Halo is no where to be seen. another indicator that Halo 5 didnt perform massivily well at digitally like you and some others would very desperately want others to believe. and before you go on about how these people are lying as well. here are their sources.

Data

Q: What type of data do we have and where do we get it?

A: Every month we collect the spending data of millions of unique paying online gamers directly from publishers and developers, totaling 50+ publishers and 500+ game titles.

https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

https://www.superdataresearch.com/services/

 

But lets call gamestop liers, even though they say their data is from Microsoft them selfs( yet i dont hear Microsoft calling them out on it, i wonder why?) and FYI this was during an  Inverstors Call, are they legally allowed to lie during those? and lets call SuperDataReaserch liers as well. even though they actually site they get their numbers from publishers. and lets just believe the "analyst" who has his "sources" on the ridiculous 50% digital claim. 

I really don't believe the 50% tale, exept that 'almost half' would include the bundle copies.
But EA says Battlefront is their biggest digital release. Gamestop says it's not bigger digital than other games. Somebody, if not everybody, is a bit creative with facts at the moment.
And that is a fact.
The only reliable numbers for Halo 5 are UK and US leaks. Digital might push Halo 5 a bit. It still would be underperforming compared to 3, Reach and 4 though.

P.S.: I love oldschool Halo fans bitching about 343i. Halo 4 sold great. It is still played online. Halo 5 actually has a great MP. Seems more like people who don't want any change at all. Both games have enough to criticize, as does any Bungie Halo, if you're honest.

mgaudio said: Dude you should see the 343 fanboys posting on 343 forums. They literally think Halo5 is smashing records. Gamestop CEO or whoever announced the game made $119 million, the $400 million number is a cover-up for not merely disappointing sales, but terrible sales. Everyone who has paid any attention to game sales, console sales. Digital ranges from 10-25%. 25% is the absolute best case scenario. Xbox Userbase is 15 million, and 343 has destroyed the franchise, so it's not like we are going to see some record breaking attach rate. VG Chartz and everywhere else is reporting 1.4m retail sales worldwide for week1. That means including digital Best case Scenario is 2million copies.  At this rate Halo5 will not outsell Halo1. And might barely outsell Halo:MCC.

Pretty much this.  Although you'd think Microsoft will bundle this for as long as it takes to outsell the collection.  

Angelv577 said: hudsoniscool said: Angelv577 said: So some people are still hanging on digital sales with the hope that halo 5 sales haven't under performed or sold below expectations compare to its predecessors. Guys it doesn't matter how you slice it, even if the game sold very well, it's in fact below expectations. First week WW sales: halo 3: 3.81 halo 4:  The numbers that we got from NPD and UK are: US: 935k with bundles Uk: 150k Total: 1,085m If vgchartz estimate is close to real numbers at retail, that means that the rest of the world numbers (countries that xb1 has barely userbase) are: 1.5m-1.085m=415k for the rest of the world I am having a hard time believing the rest of the world numbers considering xb1 userbase elsewhere but I guess those numbers comes from the 28% ratio allocated to those countries based on prior halo's. Assuming 1.5m is in fact what halo 5 sold FW at retail WW 1.5m * 1.20 (20%)= 1.8m 1.5m * 1.30 (30%)=1.95m ( digital ratio above average) 1.5m * 1.40 (40%)=2.1m (way above average) 1.5m * 1.45 (45%)=2.18m (way way above average) 1.5m * 1.50 (50%)=2.25m (unreasonable) It doesn't matter how you slice it, halo 5 sold way less than halo 3 and halo 4 FW. Sure halo 3 had more days in their first NPD but if you allocate somes sales to cover for those days, it still doesn't make up for the difference. Waiting for any MS numbers regarding to digital sales is a waste of time because everyone know it's not gonna happen. When there are numbers unfavorable that can be compare with other numbers, MS have a tendency of hiding those numbers (I'm looking at you xb1) so let leave it at halo 5 sold very well but it's not what it used to be and move on. Just to let u know ur math is wrongif a game sells 1.5 million retail and 50% of its sells are digital that makes  50% of 3m= 1.5m,  what you are saying here is that total retail sales were 3m and that 50% of that(half) is digital. what we are looking here is attach rate of total retail sales which is 1.5m, not 3m.  that brings us at 1.5m * .50=750k,  1.5m + 750k= 2.25m same as 1.5m * 1.50=2.25m.  Are you sure my math is wrong. if we know for sure that digital is less than retail then we have to use digital attach ratio of total retail sales.  its the same way to calculate sales tax, if sales tax is 7% out of $1= 7 cents which can be calculate as $1*1.07= 1.07 or 1*.07=.07+1=1.07 which is 1 dollar and 7 cents..  attach ratio was 7% per each dollar= 7 cents or per each dollar,you have to add 7 cents which mean that if you have $2, sales tax will be 14cents but attach ratio is still 7%. 2*.07=.14+2= 2.14 or 2* 1.07=2.14 The only way my math was wrong is that instead of applying 50% to total retail sales, I apply 50% to total sales(digital+retail).  in this case, we have 1.5m retail which is one half, the other half is digital or to put easier 1.5m retail(50%) + 1.5m digital(the other 50%)=3m.  this doesnt make sense to me because that's like saying it sold the same amount in both and as far as I know retail is still nuch bigger than digital.

Ya all I'm saying is if Microsoft came out and said(just an example) that halo 5 did 2 million physical copies, and digital was 50%, then it's total sales would be 4 million. Looking at people's numbers on here you would think it only adds up to 3 million. 1 million being half of the physical sales but but obviously that's not 50 percent of the total. 

elektranine said: Lol people need to learn to accept the fact that the halo era is over. The game didn't sell as well as people had hoped and now we're going at ridiculous claims of 50% digital sales. That would be 34.5 million GB worth of downloads just for the digital users, or 3450 times the library of Congress. Something this large would certainly be mentioned by MS.

They are still counting the bullets that have been shot in the game 

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Sprash said: Azzanation said: I wouldn't be surprised, MS stated it was the best selling digital Xbox game ever. My question is why are people (1) salty in here when they hear news like this. Its only sales, who cares. If you don't care why do you post in this thread? I mean, if someone makes a thread about something I don't care about I won't post in this thread, simple isn't it? or do you just don't care because Halo 5 underperformed so bad? Bolded (1): Can you link me those comments with people being salty about it in this thread?

The thread isnt the problem, i like to read the news just like the next guy. Its the posters, as if there all trying to justify a games success and failure. Halo 5 is a very successful game that failed to outsell Halo 4, but its a successful brand which has made MS half a billion $$$. Thats more important then how many phyical copies a game has sold. Profit is always first.  Theres no ifs and buts about it. Everytime i hear something good about a game i read comments like "They spin the news" "They lied" " Failure" etc.

I wishm i could quit my job tomorrow and work for these devs because the amnount of money they make, will put us all to shame and we are willing to justify a games success based off 1 aspect of its sales.

For the reecord, i brought the game digital like all my other friends did. Not saying digital is going to outsell its phyical versions but its not something to take lightly, i wouldnt be suprised if Halo sold 1m in digital alone.

You are talking about a console that was designed around a digital future.