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Should the case be...

Let the 100 women get the... 90 24.13%
 
Let the 100 men get the l... 31 8.31%
 
Split the lifeboats 50/50 between the adults. 168 45.04%
 
Let everyone drown because I can't decide. 84 22.52%
 
Total:373
XanderXT on 26 November 2015
Mr.Playstation said:
XanderXT said:
Being a child legally, I don't think I'd go down with the ship. However, I'd rather sacrifice my life if it meant a child would still have a father.

High Five for being Children ( At least legally ).

(Goes for the High Five. Gets slapped of the boat and starts to drown.)



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Azuren on 26 November 2015

Here's my two cents:

Feminism is stupid, but chivalry isn't dead. Put my wife and daughter on the boats; I'll figure something out for myself.



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archer9234 on 26 November 2015
John2290 said:
ganoncrotch said:


So no maternity leave at all then? Like how long would you allow the woman off to have her child? Here in Ireland you're allowed just 3 paid sick days in the public sector, I guess mom will just have to hope she doesn't get sick the rest of the year right?

I would hope you don't think the company should take a hit because a woman decides to have a child?


By that I mean months of pay for no work done. What since does that make to any business model? The company didn't hire you to procreate, If you decide to then you should be willing to settle for a lesser position in the company. By taking months of paid leave you are affect co-workers who may have to do unwanted overtime or loose there Job if the company is struggling and a number of women are on paid leave. Of course that's a very small probability but every worker getting paid for work they are not doing is a small weakening of the company overall. Harsh, I know and I'm likely to nor agree with it on an individual basis but it's a fact that that makes no since to any business. 

 

This stance is for every possible reason? How about the CEO is a woman. And she's pregnant. So the president should be fired. But say a male CEO's wife died. He's okay to take several months leave, if he had a break down. And need counseling. Same issue. Different problem. Neither side did anything wrong. I'll make it a bit harder. She got pregnant, by mistake. Her birth control pills failed. Or a condom failed. And she doesn't want an abortion. Zero leyway on all outcomes?



hershel_layton on 26 November 2015

Lesson learned:

have enough life boats for everyone. No one likes seeing others drown to death.



 

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o_O.Q on 26 November 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
o_O.Q said:


but those things are not isolated as you seem to believe... our biology plays a part in both our social and economic status

it could be argued, for example, that men are driven to compete for higher positions in the work place because of their higher testosterone levels and as a result there are more male CEOs

I know that biology plays into our soecial and economical status, but I am a feminist, so I believe economy should find a way to address the situation. I believe that Both and women should be granted maternity leave in the most critical months post birth. Women today dont want to be left with the burden and they shouldnt be. It should be a trade off. Women back in the day had to deal with it and some would've rather had it that way but thats not all women. Ideals among women are not always shared so people must.

Also, women can have above average testosterone levels as well. That does contribute to competitiveness.Women are starting to break the glass ceiling. They have already surpassed men in Job placement and education.

 

" so I believe economy should find a way to address the situation."

 

you mentioned that women have children, so... how can you expect them to have the same economic level as men considering that they spend more time off from work?

would that not require that women be payed more for the time they work? ironically to achieve "equality" you have to pay women more

the problem with feminism is that we do not live in an ideal utopia... we live in an imperfect world and as a result there will always be inequality

that's probably why people yearn for a "heaven" so much because they have acknowledged the intrinsic problems this existance has... the truly ironic thing is that most feminists appear to be atheists and still yearn for the same thing that most theists do and will turn around and call the theists irrational partially because of their utopian desires

once you start seeing the irony in many prominent issues the world becomes a very amusing place



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FragilE^ on 26 November 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I know that biology plays into our soecial and economical status, but I am a feminist, so I believe economy should find a way to address the situation. I believe that Both and women should be granted maternity leave in the most critical months post birth. Women today dont want to be left with the burden and they shouldnt be. It should be a trade off. Women back in the day had to deal with it and some would've rather had it that way but thats not all women. Ideals among women are not always shared so people must.

Also, women can have above average testosterone levels as well. That does contribute to competitiveness.Women are starting to break the glass ceiling. They have already surpassed men in Job placement and education.

Do you speak for all women? Thats very interesting.
The things I hear and read say that a lot of women want their men to keep working, so they can be there for the kid. Oh, sorry, taking care of their newborn kid? I meant carry the horrible burden.
When I have kids, I would like to share it 50/50. Some don't. Either is fine, IMO.



FragilE^ on 26 November 2015
hershel_layton said:
Lesson learned:

have enough life boats for everyone. No one likes seeing others drown to death.

That's the point though. Shit happens :P Being prepared for this specific crazy scenario is probably pointless, but bad situations do happen. And there are times when you have to choose, who will live and who will die. I think its important to at least consider these things, every now and then.

To make the scenario a bit more likely, say there's a fire on the ship and half the life boats are ruined in the fire.

 

Ultimately, being able to make quick (and good) decisions will save more lives. If you spend most of the time debating who deserves a spot on the boat instead of actually helping people of the sinking ship, you might not be able to use all the life boats in time. What if a massive fight breaks out, and people start killing eachother? What if some people think, "if I'm not getting on, no one will" and sabotages the life boats!

Maybe I'm being silly. I like thought experiments.



Ganoncrotch on 26 November 2015
John2290 said:
ganoncrotch said:


So no maternity leave at all then? Like how long would you allow the woman off to have her child? Here in Ireland you're allowed just 3 paid sick days in the public sector, I guess mom will just have to hope she doesn't get sick the rest of the year right?

I would hope you don't think the company should take a hit because a woman decides to have a child?


By that I mean months of pay for no work done. What since does that make to any business model? The company didn't hire you to procreate, If you decide to then you should be willing to settle for a lesser position in the company. By taking months of paid leave you are affect co-workers who may have to do unwanted overtime or loose there Job if the company is struggling and a number of women are on paid leave. Of course that's a very small probability but every worker getting paid for work they are not doing is a small weakening of the company overall. Harsh, I know and I'm likely to nor agree with it on an individual basis but it's a fact that that makes no since to any business. 

 


Just to clarify you are against any form of maternity for either gender? Up to and including making the woman take a day from her sick leave when she goes into labour to deliver the child?

Gotta keep things equal!



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S.T.A.G.E. on 26 November 2015
FragilE^ said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 

I know that biology plays into our soecial and economical status, but I am a feminist, so I believe economy should find a way to address the situation. I believe that Both and women should be granted maternity leave in the most critical months post birth. Women today dont want to be left with the burden and they shouldnt be. It should be a trade off. Women back in the day had to deal with it and some would've rather had it that way but thats not all women. Ideals among women are not always shared so people must.

Also, women can have above average testosterone levels as well. That does contribute to competitiveness.Women are starting to break the glass ceiling. They have already surpassed men in Job placement and education.

Do you speak for all women? Thats very interesting.
The things I hear and read say that a lot of women want their men to keep working, so they can be there for the kid. Oh, sorry, taking care of their newborn kid? I meant carry the horrible burden.
When I have kids, I would like to share it 50/50. Some don't. Either is fine, IMO.


You must've missed the the part where I wrote ideals among women are not always shared.



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 November 2015
o_O.Q said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I know that biology plays into our soecial and economical status, but I am a feminist, so I believe economy should find a way to address the situation. I believe that Both and women should be granted maternity leave in the most critical months post birth. Women today dont want to be left with the burden and they shouldnt be. It should be a trade off. Women back in the day had to deal with it and some would've rather had it that way but thats not all women. Ideals among women are not always shared so people must.

Also, women can have above average testosterone levels as well. That does contribute to competitiveness.Women are starting to break the glass ceiling. They have already surpassed men in Job placement and education.

 

" so I believe economy should find a way to address the situation."

 

you mentioned that women have children, so... how can you expect them to have the same economic level as men considering that they spend more time off from work?

would that not require that women be payed more for the time they work? ironically to achieve "equality" you have to pay women more

the problem with feminism is that we do not live in an ideal utopia... we live in an imperfect world and as a result there will always be inequality

that's probably why people yearn for a "heaven" so much because they have acknowledged the intrinsic problems this existance has... the truly ironic thing is that most feminists appear to be atheists and still yearn for the same thing that most theists do and will turn around and call the theists irrational partially because of their utopian desires

once you start seeing the irony in many prominent issues the world becomes a very amusing place


Once the next generation takes over the mantle some first world countries will be begging their citizens to have children. This will yield perks. I am saying these perks should include.....X,Y,Z. Essentially the things that endorse equality while changing the way we view traditional child rearing. Some women need the time off to recoup and men can help. The anomaly would be for single mothers, but with time we could think of a social remedy for that.