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Should the case be...

Let the 100 women get the... 90 24.13%
 
Let the 100 men get the l... 31 8.31%
 
Split the lifeboats 50/50 between the adults. 168 45.04%
 
Let everyone drown because I can't decide. 84 22.52%
 
Total:373
FunFan on 23 November 2015

To be fair, it's not a law but a social agreement based on humans own perception of importance. That perception might have some basis in Biology as animals also give the priority to their offspring in survival situations. The idea behind this is that the most important thing for life is the continuation of life itself. For humans, is the survival of the species. Women can have children and that makes them more important. Not saying that men are useless but in order for life to continue you might have to sacrifice the weakest link. Testosterone itself could be seen as a suicidal hormone as it makes men more aggressive and careless for their survival. In a way, it's just how men were designed.

Equality is all fine and dandy, but it can only go so far before nature itself steps in. (This train of thought won me a bit of opposition back in college. The memories.)



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Lawlight on 23 November 2015
FunFan said:
To be fair, it's not a law but a social agreement based on humans own perception of importance. That perception might have some basis in Biology as animals also give the priority to their offspring in survival situations. The idea behind this is that the most important thing for life is the continuation of life itself. For humans, is the survival of the species. Women can have children and that makes them more important. Not saying that men are useless but in order for life to continue you might have to sacrifice the weakest link. Testosterone itself could be seen as a suicidal hormone as it makes men more aggressive and careless for their survival. In a way, it's just how men were designed.

Equality is all fine and dandy, but it can only go so far before nature itself steps in. (This train of thought won me a bit of opposition back in college. The memories.)


If this was true, everyone would have wanted kids. Also, isn't testosterone what makes you want to have sex and, thus, procreate?



Derek89 on 23 November 2015
HollyGamer said:
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TheLegendaryWolf said:
loy310 said:
6 billion people on the planet more that half of them are female.
With that in consideration it's fair to say 50/50, women don't need anymore privilege because of their Biology or because we need more women than men for the race to survive. We are beyond survival.
Maybe if there were only 1 million people left in the planet we can revert back to Stone Age standards but for right now I can give 2 shits about a female on a sinking ship, if one female drowns their are literally billions more to fill her spot, same for men.
First come first serve. Better to be alive than dead.

I agree with you. In a situation like that, it's survival of the fittest. If I manage to get into the lifeboat, there's no way I'm giving it up to any other man or woman.  It may sound cynical and "unmanly" for some, but I value my life more than an unknown person's life, even if that person happens to be a woman.

have you ever a though if the woman at the boot is your mother , sister or wife, girlfriend?

You didn't ask me, but here's my take on that:

I know them and I love them. If I give my life for them, it is because I cherish them, not because they are women. If I'd give my life for the women I cherish, I would also give my life for the men I cherish.

and if there is no one in the boat that you know close only strangers,  in near death momentt whose is the person that you will remember first, your mother or the man that you cherish for?

It depends, if this man I cherish for is my best friend, of course I'll remember my mom first, but if this man I cherish for is my dad, then I don't know. Can't imagne myself "choosing" or logically predict who would I remember first, but If it is my mom, I'm almost certain it wouldn't be because she's a woman.

it will be different from one person to another, if you grew up with both your mother and father you will easly choose your mother, because mother is closer to their kid physcologicaly, while if you grew up without mother ofcourse you will chose your father, or the other way around for grew up without vfather, but woman have benefit when raising children, because God made the woman full of love. It doesnt mean man doesn't have love, it's just they are diffrent.

I grew with both my mom and my dad and I don't think I would "easily" choose one or the other. It seems you base your opinion on this matter from your religion and I don't share your faith, so I'm afraid I can't empathize with you in that regard, but I've never felt that my dad was any less "full of love" than my mom. Sure, I admire them in different ways, because they taught me different things, like my dad taught me about selfesteem and how to protect myself and my mom taught me about self control and forgiving. I admire my parents in different ways, but in no way I admire and love one more than I admire and love the other.

Anyways, we're going off-topic there.

All I'm saying is that the worth of a human life has no gender. That is what I think, in this matter, is true equality.



HollyGamer on 23 November 2015
Derek89 said:

I grew with both my mom and my dad and I don't think I would "easily" choose one or the other. It seems you base your opinion on this matter from your religion and I don't share your faith, so I'm afraid I can't empathize with you in that regard, but I've never felt that my dad was any less "full of love" than my mom. Sure, I admire them in different ways, because they taught me different things, like my dad taught me about selfesteem and how to protect myself and my mom taught me about self control and forgiving. I admire my parents in different ways, but in no way I admire and love one more than I admire and love the other.

Anyways, we're going off-topic there.

All I'm saying is that the worth of a human life has no gender. That is what I think, in this matter, is true equality.

of course , i dont care if you are not viewing the same faith with me, it just that my religion is have the same tendency to treat woman nicely more then man, and also i believe in equality on right but the execution and the procedure is diffrent (remember woman is different from man even if  the woman is capable woman), if my father were there  he be willing to give the boat to my mother and me.



FunFan on 23 November 2015
Lawlight said:

If this was true, everyone would have wanted kids. Also, isn't testosterone what makes you want to have sex and, thus, procreate?


Yep, hormones can have more than one job. Also, making you want to have sex might be how nature makes sure you have kids. So, you can say testosterone is the hormone that makes sure you(asuming you are a man) work as nature intended, with an enphasis on procreation and preservation.



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Metroid33slayer on 23 November 2015
Ajax said:

So there is no gender equality here, and thats a fact.
Men cant give birth to children.

We men, should not let feminists or women in general or other men influence our actions in a negative way.
We are men, we will save children and women first.
I'm not gonna stop behaving like a man in any way, because of whatever other people say or think. So stop pointing at women like crybabies.

Thats what being a real man is about. Just having a penis does not make you a real man.
Only your actions do.

Well it actually does. Plus giving up your life doesn't make you a real man it makes you a deceased man.



method114 on 23 November 2015

I understand your point. The problem is your trying to bring logic to a conversation with people who don't want to hear it. They don't use logic and have no intentions of trying to. They simply want to win and they don't care how. I don't babe feminist specifically just the radical ones.



ps3-sales! on 23 November 2015

Well; here is my stance on this.

I would pick the 100 most useful and able bodies for the boats. Probably no children would make it; as they cannot take care of themselves for the most part.

When it comes to Women/Men; the most experienced, intelligent, and tough ones would get through. Who can provide and bring the most to the group.

But that's basically survival of the fittest; which in general is widely considered to be inhumane. So I would be kicked off and probably drown/die so that they may continue to argue and waste time.

At the end there would be a 50/50 split to those supporting my idea and those that can't give up the weak/elderly/children; so nothing would get accomplished and everybody would eventually die.

Dead.



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Derek89 on 23 November 2015

Let the 100 women get the... 47 24.23%

That's too high. We need a Men's Lives Matter movement, aparently.



o_O.Q on 23 November 2015

its your duty as a man to selflessly serve society and to sacrifice yourself for the interests of women, while also claiming that they are equal to you

i've honestly seen feminists making both claims ( worded differently obviously ) and even though i understand what is going on i still struggle to fathom how people can juxtapose both of these against each other and not see the contradiction