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rolltide101x on 23 November 2015
Zod95 said:
 

Where does it say, in that wikipedia sentence or even the whole page, that GT is THE racing simulator? It doesn't even say that GT is a racing simulator at all. So far you have zero arguments to back up your claim.

As for Midnight Club:

"Midnight Club is a series of racing video games...focusing on competitive street racing in open world urban environments. Throughout the series, players race through New York City, London, Los Angeles, Paris, Tokyo, San Diego, Atlanta, and Detroit."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Club

I don't know which one needs the biggest stretch of immagination to be considered a racing simulator: the one focusing on street racing or the one "intended" (by the way, I'm intended to rule the world, so far I haven't been successful) to emulate vehicles.

Anyway, one thing I can assure you: both are not focused on real motorsport cars racing on real race tracks and real championships with real rules.

Other games are. Games like GTR, TOCA, rFactor, Life For Speed, Assetto Corsa, Project CARS, etc. But if a racing simulator is not your thing that is fine, just do not confuse a car-RPG with made-up content and rules with real racing simulators.

Dude if you think Midnight Club is a "racing simulator" you clearly do not know what a racing simulator is. Project Cars is the only racing simulator I can even think of that has released recently. (Also the F1 series).

Bolded: LOL



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Zod95 on 23 November 2015
rolltide101x said:
Zod95 said:
 

Where does it say, in that wikipedia sentence or even the whole page, that GT is THE racing simulator? It doesn't even say that GT is a racing simulator at all. So far you have zero arguments to back up your claim.

As for Midnight Club:

"Midnight Club is a series of racing video games...focusing on competitive street racing in open world urban environments. Throughout the series, players race through New York City, London, Los Angeles, Paris, Tokyo, San Diego, Atlanta, and Detroit."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Club

I don't know which one needs the biggest stretch of immagination to be considered a racing simulator: the one focusing on street racing or the one "intended" (by the way, I'm intended to rule the world, so far I haven't been successful) to emulate vehicles.

Anyway, one thing I can assure you: both are not focused on real motorsport cars racing on real race tracks and real championships with real rules.

Other games are. Games like GTR, TOCA, rFactor, Life For Speed, Assetto Corsa, Project CARS, etc. But if a racing simulator is not your thing that is fine, just do not confuse a car-RPG with made-up content and rules with real racing simulators.

Dude if you think Midnight Club is a "racing simulator" you clearly do not know what a racing simulator is. Project Cars is the only racing simulator I can even think of that has released recently. (Also the F1 series).

Bolded: LOL

People who think Gran Turismo or Midnight Club are racing simulators clearly do not know what sim racing is all about. And there's only one person like that in here.

And if you can only recall Project CARS that's probably because you are not a real fan of sim racing.

GT is a car simulator, not a racing simulator. But you'll never understand that. It's hopeless.



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DonFerrari on 23 November 2015
BraLoD said:
DonFerrari said:


Well, after playing 6 GTs I would say that all the career mode is easy to win... unless we would be talking about challenge mode and license golds... normal races even with the equivalent of 10% less points is not that hard after you are used to the game.

I always go full gold xP

But International shouldn't be easy to new players, of course it can be if you are used to it, there is people who can beat Dark Souls on a single go running naked without taking a hit XP

Kart races are pretty unforgiven on GT6 as well, one mistake and you probably won't ever win that race, now when doing championships getting gold there can be pretty hard to anyone not used to it. Actually as someone else said, if you do that races were everyone has the same car you see it's not that easy to beat them, if you keep getting the most powerfull cars of course it'll be easy... like if you get a legendary set on a rpg.


You are right kart can be quite unforgiving.. on the last level even small mistakes can cost a race



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Zekkyou on 23 November 2015
Zod95 said:

Where does it say, in that wikipedia sentence or even the whole page, that GT is THE racing simulator? It doesn't even say that GT is a racing simulator at all. So far you have zero arguments to back up your claim.

As for Midnight Club:

"Midnight Club is a series of racing video games...focusing on competitive street racing in open world urban environments. Throughout the series, players race through New York City, London, Los Angeles, Paris, Tokyo, San Diego, Atlanta, and Detroit."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Club

I don't know which one needs the biggest stretch of immagination to be considered a racing simulator: the one focusing on street racing or the one "intended" (by the way, I'm intended to rule the world, so far I haven't been successful) to emulate vehicles.

Anyway, one thing I can assure you: both are not focused on real motorsport cars racing on real race tracks and real championships with real rules.

Other games are. Games like GTR, TOCA, rFactor, Life For Speed, Assetto Corsa, Project CARS, etc. But if a racing simulator is not your thing that is fine, just do not confuse a car-RPG with made-up content and rules with real racing simulators.

I'm not interested in taking part in the core of this debate (because quite frankly i couldn't care less about driving games, so don't care what sub genre people put each in), but i feel the need to point out that the GT wiki page does in-fact refer to it as a racing simulator. True or not, it's there:

Also, 'The Real Racing Simulator' thing is the tag line the series puts under its logo. That's also in the pic above.



HollyGamer on 23 November 2015

it's a fun race simulation that doesn't require high spec PC on mainstream media like console, and also the only one that offer sim race on console when it first came out, and also the first game that offer many authentic car factory and brand. And still until now the quality is still the best compared to other similar driving game.



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Zod95 on 25 November 2015
BraLoD said:
Zod95 said:
rolltide101x said:

Dude if you think Midnight Club is a "racing simulator" you clearly do not know what a racing simulator is. Project Cars is the only racing simulator I can even think of that has released recently. (Also the F1 series).

Bolded: LOL

People who think Gran Turismo or Midnight Club are racing simulators clearly do not know what sim racing is all about. And there's only one person like that in here.

And if you can only recall Project CARS that's probably because you are not a real fan of sim racing.

GT is a car simulator, not a racing simulator. But you'll never understand that. It's hopeless.

Hopeless is you trying to claim GT is not a racing simulator.

It does not simulate racing. Therefore, it's not a racing simulator. This is pure logic.



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Zod95 on 25 November 2015
Zekkyou said:
Zod95 said:

Where does it say, in that wikipedia sentence or even the whole page, that GT is THE racing simulator? It doesn't even say that GT is a racing simulator at all. So far you have zero arguments to back up your claim.

As for Midnight Club:

"Midnight Club is a series of racing video games...focusing on competitive street racing in open world urban environments. Throughout the series, players race through New York City, London, Los Angeles, Paris, Tokyo, San Diego, Atlanta, and Detroit."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Club

I don't know which one needs the biggest stretch of immagination to be considered a racing simulator: the one focusing on street racing or the one "intended" (by the way, I'm intended to rule the world, so far I haven't been successful) to emulate vehicles.

Anyway, one thing I can assure you: both are not focused on real motorsport cars racing on real race tracks and real championships with real rules.

Other games are. Games like GTR, TOCA, rFactor, Life For Speed, Assetto Corsa, Project CARS, etc. But if a racing simulator is not your thing that is fine, just do not confuse a car-RPG with made-up content and rules with real racing simulators.

I'm not interested in taking part in the core of this debate (because quite frankly i couldn't care less about driving games, so don't care what sub genre people put each in), but i feel the need to point out that the GT wiki page does in-fact refer to it as a racing simulator. True or not, it's there:

Also, 'The Real Racing Simulator' thing is the tag line the series puts under its logo. That's also in the pic above.

But you don't feel the need to point out that the very same page does not say that GT is "THE racing simulator". Interesting...

Regarding tag lines, I feel we can't trust on them, can we? For example, I drink industrial juice whose tag line is "100%" but then I go to the ingredients and it's not 100% fruit. Moreover, "driving simulator" is different from "racing simulator". Moreover, we weren't talking about tag lines at all.



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Intrinsic on 25 November 2015
Zod95 said:
rolltide101x said:

Because it is the best racing simulator ever created? I have played the vast majority of racing games out there and nothing comes close to GT. I also wager you have not beat GT at the higher levels if you think having a better car is all you need

Far from true. There are plenty of other games that simulate racing much better. Road cars with unrealistic handling racing in made-up tracks on made-up championships with made-up rules on a made-up career with made-up money is not that simulating.

Road cars? unrealistic handling? made up tracks????????

You can't possibly be talking about gran turismo. There is a reason why even F1 drivers use the game to warm up and refamiliarize themselves with the tracks. 



Zod95 on 25 November 2015
Intrinsic said:
Zod95 said:
rolltide101x said:

Because it is the best racing simulator ever created? I have played the vast majority of racing games out there and nothing comes close to GT. I also wager you have not beat GT at the higher levels if you think having a better car is all you need

Far from true. There are plenty of other games that simulate racing much better. Road cars with unrealistic handling racing in made-up tracks on made-up championships with made-up rules on a made-up career with made-up money is not that simulating.

Road cars? unrealistic handling? made up tracks????????

You can't possibly be talking about gran turismo. There is a reason why even F1 drivers use the game to warm up and refamiliarize themselves with the tracks. 

I don't understand your question marks. Do you honestly think Gran Turismo doesn't have road cars, unrealistic handling and made-up tracks?

Maybe this can help you:

As for the handling, I could talk about all the VG racing experts that talk about rFactor, LifeForSpeed, GTR, among others, when discussing which racing game is the most realistic, and that don't even consider Gran Turismo. I could talk about all the comparisons that experts make between Gran Turismo and reality, or even other (less pretentious) games, where GT fails miserably. But I will just leave here some funny videos for you to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWQfdSfIRVI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0rivBIGxLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7RhyKiG1RA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgO9ZInobUw

And there's much more to enjoy.

Regarding your last sentence, F1 drivers are not gaming experts. They eventually know what sells millions. They hardly know what isn't mainstream. If there's a reason (assuming what you say is true) I would say it's ignorance.



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mornelithe on 25 November 2015

I can't really speak for everyone else, but for me it was the driving, the tracks, the cars, and the scenery.