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Mr Puggsly on 18 November 2015
Augen said:
"It is clear that Microsoft Xbox One will benefit enormously from backwards compatibility."

Is it clear? At this stage I don't see this making a big impact.

I think the impact of BC is more long term. Especially given significantly more is coming in time.



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Arkaign on 18 November 2015
d21lewis said:
Sixteenvolt420 said:
No thanks to BC on my PS4. I bought a PS4 to play PS4 games, not older games. If i want to play older games, i still have my PS1/2/3, that i could break back out.


No thanks to Netflix on my PS4.  If I wanted to watch a movie, I still have my VCR and DVD player that i could break back out.  Nobody else could possibly find this feature even slightly useful.

I realize that's an ironic statement, but I sort of feel that Netflix on most any (exception WiiU lol) console is wasteful in comparison to using a smart app or smart box (Roku, AppleTV, Amazon Fire, etc).

The X360 and PS3 (slim models a bit less so, but still considerable) along with the X1 and PS4 burn a fairly considerable amount of juice even when running streaming video. We're talking 70-180 watts constant to do something that one of those little boxes can do with a couple of watts.

I think the Gen8 consoles are fairly close with this, but I'd honestly like to see (particularly in systems that are sold as heavy multimedia setups like the X1) an arm-based OS so that you can run non-gaming functions at 10-15 watts while the APU idles.

I realize that not many people think about power consumption, but I'm a dad with multiple game consoles and TVs in the house, and I'm always happy to see the kids gaming or having fun, but I also made sure to teach people how to use hard-switch power strips when they're not using a setup (power supplies are notorious power leeches even when systems are 'off'), and to use the Amazon FireTVs for streaming, which works quite well. Over a couple of setups with multiple users and a good number of hours/day, this adds up to a decent amount of money over time. (it helps that I got the FireTVs as a promotional gift, haha). In fact, the Sony and MS consoles are SO inefficient at running non-gaming tasks that it feels a bit like running a 4-barrel 1250 carbed 6.7L V8 at 5,000 rpm in idle just to listen to the car stereo.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cordcutters/comments/19v0ye/comparing_the_energy_costs_of_various_streaming/

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/182829-new-report-slams-xbox-one-and-ps4-power-consumption-inefficiencies-still-abound



Intrinsic on 18 November 2015

i think this whole BC nonsense has to be some of the mist overrated bs on the planet.

Just my opinion though.



leo-j on 18 November 2015

I truely believe streaming is the future of console gaming..... so PS NOW is a huge advantage for sony, all they need is to let players play games they digitally downloaded streamed through now for free as long as they have ps plus.... and BC would not be an issue....



 

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Puppyroach on 18 November 2015

Sony will go for the PS Now route, making PS4 BC would lessen the interest in PS Now.



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fireburn95 on 18 November 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
fireburn95 said:


It's called being realistic. If sony could get ps1 & ps2 on shit ps3 architecture, and ms can get 360 on xb1, you don't think it's at least feasible sony could've got ps1 & 2 at the very least on ps4. If you didn't realise, this is a business where the goal is to make money, not to cater to fans whims. Microsoft could've brought BC earlier, but they didn't expect the uphill battle they'd have to climb

Im not arguing its not possible, Im arguing Sony doesent care to add BC because they simply dont care. Youre right, Sony is driven on profits not fan requests.

MS could have brought BC ealier? Was the emulator ready before 2015?

Sony could be bringing good games to PS4. But they simply arent ready. It takes years to do that apparently.


'simply dont care' yes because it's easy to pin down decisions buy billion dollar conglomerates to 'don't care' You come off as really irrational.

Every company is driven off making money, you're smart enough to know that. Microsoft now is what sony were last gen.
Free online, ps plus free games etc.
Because they were the underdogs. Now MS are the underdogs....SURPRISE :O
EA Access free games, BackCompat

it's business at the end of the day, user retention, install base etc. and doesn't boil down to whether a company is 'lazy' or 'doesnt care'.

Yes, they could've, if they really wanted to. But they need people buying the consoles at this point moreso than the software, so they pile on the value-added services. A company as smart as microsoft could figure it out in a matter of days, it's their own effing hardware, if anyone knows it, they do.

Well the last line makes you look like a troll. Which is a shame as how you seemingly seem to come off as rational. Oh yeah how was the first 9 months for xbox one retail exclusives again? Oh yeah screamride, excellent game (psst not an exclusive)}
GG



archer9234 on 18 November 2015
Ruler said:
archer9234 said:

- Bad is subjective. I have no issue playing any system from an atari 2600 to present on a modern TV. Only ROB and Lightgun games are acutally impossible to be used.

- You can get Composite to HDMI converts. But the smart thing is to buy a TV that has all ports. They are still made. Also, older consoles are slowly being moded to have HDMI added on. N64 and NES are currently being completed. SNES and GEN are starting up.

- Region logic on old consoles, no problem. All my systems are bypassed. And have no problem.

-thats because Pong doesnt look different on any TV. You have to understand that older consoles dont look much worse on more mordern TVs like the 2D console era 8 and 16 bit for example. But more mordern games like PS2 games look bad on mordern TVs. 480p or even 720p emulation would make a huge difference with these games.

-still not everyone has the money buying extra converters or moding its old consoles. 
- yes it is a problem with PS2 which is so hard to play from different regions that most people just buy a Japanese console for example. Other consoles have to be modded either way but again this is not feaseble to the average consumer.

- Personal opinion. I included ALL consoles.  The 3D ones too. I  have no problem for me playing them on modern TV's.

- But you have the money to rebuy said game ports/remakes, or buy the newer systems right. You spending money somewhere, regardless.

- All PS2's can be bypassed easily with slight lid mods. And Swap Magic. Or full chips. This isn't a big issue, as it use to be. When the PS2 was still important. No more hardware revisions. Gamecube region lockout is a total joke. It's just two wires and a switch. It's built into each system. NES, SNES, and 64 are physical tab cutouts. Wii, Priiloader.



Sixteenvolt420 on 18 November 2015
d21lewis said:
Sixteenvolt420 said:
No thanks to BC on my PS4. I bought a PS4 to play PS4 games, not older games. If i want to play older games, i still have my PS1/2/3, that i could break back out.


No thanks to Netflix on my PS4.  If I wanted to watch a movie, I still have my VCR and DVD player that i could break back out.  Nobody else could possibly find this feature even slightly useful.

I'd be fine with that disappearing as well, as i never use most of the features of my gaming consoles, outside of playing this gens games. I have Amazon Prime, and i have only used that streaming service maybe 4 or 5 times, over the past few years. My tv is a smart tv, so i can do Netflix and such on it, or also on my blu-ray player, if needed. 

 

There are tons of features that some people would find useful, but you have to look at what is your best outcome for profit. Sony has no need to add BC, as they console is still selling like hotcakes, after 2 years. MS on the other hand, is in a situation where they have to do anything they can to please even a small percentage of their customers



TacticalWizardQuest on 18 November 2015

Isn't that just the cutest alien muppet pikmin in your avatar.

I better respond to the topic, so I highly agree. PSnow will go some ways to fixing that at least.



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sabvre42 on 18 November 2015

PS Now isn't bc, it's a platform with ps3 games. I bet anything that by Dec 31 2016, it will start supporting ps4 games. It'll even start supporting new release games. You'll be able to rent them, or pay full price to unlock perm access while currently subbed.