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Skullwaker on 15 November 2015
twintail said:

Quite a few games have incest undertones within the story. It's not that unexpected a story development.

And? What does that have to do with what I said?



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curl-6 on 15 November 2015
Cloudman said:
curl-6 said:

The entire game is intended to make you feel uncomfortable. ;)

I hope that is in a scary way, and not like... dirty, perverted stuff..?

A long-standing tradition of horror is to use cultural taboos such as incest, cannibalism, etc, to psychologically unsettle the viewer/player. 

If they'd done it just to be dirty/perverted, they would not have presented it with such subtlty. 



NoirSon on 15 November 2015
curl-6 said:

Basically, one of the playable main characters, Miu, is the product of incest.

A book you find in the game talks about “shadowborn” children, basically children born of a ghost father and a living mother.

When Miu finds the requilary containing her mother, the ghost of the old woman who presided over the “ghost marriages” performed on Mount Hikami appears, and refers to Miu as a “shadowborn”.
Elsewhere in the game, we discover that her mother, Miku, entered into such a ghost marriage with her dead brother, Mafuyu. (Those who have played Fatal Frame 1 and 3 will remember his story)
Thus it is heavily implied that Miu is the shadowborn daughter of Miku and Mafuyu, and indeed the game’s official guide in Japan apparently confirms that she is.
The details of shadowborn conception are kept vague, so it’s not clear if Miku and Mafuyu literally did the nasty, but the end result is that a Nintendo published game has a protagonist whose parents are brother and sister.

Technically, it isn't the first time back in the day, Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War on the Super Famicom  had incest in its plot.



curl-6 on 15 November 2015
NoirSon said:
curl-6 said:

Basically, one of the playable main characters, Miu, is the product of incest.

A book you find in the game talks about “shadowborn” children, basically children born of a ghost father and a living mother.

When Miu finds the requilary containing her mother, the ghost of the old woman who presided over the “ghost marriages” performed on Mount Hikami appears, and refers to Miu as a “shadowborn”.
Elsewhere in the game, we discover that her mother, Miku, entered into such a ghost marriage with her dead brother, Mafuyu. (Those who have played Fatal Frame 1 and 3 will remember his story)
Thus it is heavily implied that Miu is the shadowborn daughter of Miku and Mafuyu, and indeed the game’s official guide in Japan apparently confirms that she is.
The details of shadowborn conception are kept vague, so it’s not clear if Miku and Mafuyu literally did the nasty, but the end result is that a Nintendo published game has a protagonist whose parents are brother and sister.

Technically, it isn't the first time back in the day, Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War on the Super Famicom  had incest in its plot.

I didn't know about that, but still, I never actually said it was the first time Nintendo have dabbled in incest. ;) Just that it's not something you expect to see in a Nintendo published game, especially these days. Plus, since it's not explicitly stated, I suspect some players finished the game without making the connection.



Boberkun on 16 November 2015
curl-6 said:

Elsewhere in the game, we discover that her mother, Miku, entered into such a ghost marriage with her dead brother, Mafuyu. (Those who have played Fatal Frame 1 and 3 will remember his story)

Where exactly? During the first pass I've tried explored every corner of each location and don't remember any notes about that. 



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Cloudman on 16 November 2015
curl-6 said:
Cloudman said:
curl-6 said:

The entire game is intended to make you feel uncomfortable. ;)

I hope that is in a scary way, and not like... dirty, perverted stuff..?

A long-standing tradition of horror is to use cultural taboos such as incest, cannibalism, etc, to psychologically unsettle the viewer/player. 

If they'd done it just to be dirty/perverted, they would not have presented it with such subtlty. 

Huh, funny you mention cannibalism when that was present in another recent horror-ish game. O:



 

              

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curl-6 on 16 November 2015
Boberkun said:
curl-6 said:

Elsewhere in the game, we discover that her mother, Miku, entered into such a ghost marriage with her dead brother, Mafuyu. (Those who have played Fatal Frame 1 and 3 will remember his story)

Where exactly? During the first pass I've tried explored every corner of each location and don't remember any notes about that. 

In the cutscene where Miu finds her mother in the requilary, touches her, and sees into her memory.

The ghost of the old lady also says as much in the scene right before this, when she calls Miu "Shadowborn", and tells her "the person you are looking for has entered into a ghost marriage".