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fireburn95 said:
Isis are far too spread out to just 'nuke' them.

It's cheaper and more effective to just use drones and pick out clusters of targets, with Iran and kurds pointing out where they are on the ground.

This.


IS aren't concentrated in a large enough place to warrant a nuclear strike. They don't even get bombed that heavily. Drone/precision airstrikes have to be used alot of the time because they use innocent civilians as human shields.



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HollyGamer said:
Hope ISIS can stop pretend to be a warrior of Muslim, i hate all false accuse from people that call Islam is the religion of terrorist. ISIS also kill a lot of Sunny Muslim in Syrian. So I hope God can stop them.


People know that it's not all Muslims. But people are freaking lazy. Why pick and chose who to hate when they can just hate everyone at once. I've seen many liken the Paris attacks to the influx of Mexicans into the US. Talk about false equivalency!



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Dulfite said:


I believe the original atomic bomb didn't have radiation in it, which is why we called it an atomic bomb and not a nuclear bomb. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding of it, so I do think it is possible to have the massive explosion without the fallout, but if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will please correct me?

You can still measure radiation from Trinity (first atomic bomb).

And tens of thousands of Americans died of cancer because of the nuclear tests. Maybe even hundreds of thousands.



nanorazor said:
Is it just me, or there is constantly more Russian propaganda being spread these days especially from Media and YouTube.

The western media are pro American and try to make Russia look bad.  Russia do many bad things just like the US but I don't believe one is worse than the other. 



Dulfite said:


I believe the original atomic bomb didn't have radiation in it, which is why we called it an atomic bomb and not a nuclear bomb. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding of it, so I do think it is possible to have the massive explosion without the fallout, but if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will please correct me?

Atomic bombs work inherently on breaking appart unstable atoms. When these atoms are broken apart, high energy pieces and rays fly out. What we know as radiation can be either gamma rays which can be thought of as high enegy light waves, particles made up of neutrons and protons, and high energy electrons. When these particles and rays hit us they can cause large amounts of tissue damage.

While it may be possible to have an equivalent explosion without splitting an atom, some estimate that you would need about 15,000 tons of TNT to equal the energy released in the original atomic bomb.



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Dulfite said:
OneKartVita said:

I'm not up-to-date on the latest nukes but have they developed nukes that won't leave the place inhabitable because of the radio active fallout?  

 

I mean if that's true then they fuck over anyone who ever wanted to move home.  And wouldn't the radio active fallout drift over the border and into Russia,? 


I believe the original atomic bomb didn't have radiation in it, which is why we called it an atomic bomb and not a nuclear bomb. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding of it, so I do think it is possible to have the massive explosion without the fallout, but if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will please correct me?

Take a look to a great japanese film called "Black Rain" and you´ll see you are completely wrong, black water rained all over the place and it was full of radiation, it was more tragic than the bomb itself since thousands of people died slowly.



Kuksenkov said:

Highly unlikely, but the world should do a South Park: They erased Finland out of this world by nuking them. Nuke the whole middle east already. ~ Just kidding ~ But seriously, although I don't support any war propaganda or actions... The Muslims (not generalizing of course) have a very backward way of thinking. They believe in murdering their females is totally fine if they were to "bring shame to their family", stoning is legal, women are not equal as men, so on and so forth... Guess what? Muslims bring shame to the human race with their savage and primitive actions, why can't we get rid of them in that case?

 


But you are generalizing. There are a lot of countries that have Muslim majorities and are pretty civilized. And those things you talked about are done by the laws created by those in power who justify they are just doing the work of God. White people and christians are capable of also horrific things, as proven by history and our way of living, with plentiful murderers and pedophiles roaming the streets. With greed, deceit, anger ruling our society and those who rule us. If you think anyone is 100% correct you are wrong. Human beings are capable of the most horrible things whether they are christian or muslim.

You are just looking at the world from your perspective. Those in power are the ones who define how the world should be. That's why so many germans supported nazism. That's why everyone cares for the attacks on Paris but a month ago nobody cared about the attack on Ankara, at least not at the same level as Paris, because France is part of our western world. I did the same mistake of course, I live in Portugal, and I have visited Paris and I love it. But I know this sudden feel of hatred for all things middle east was just from the heat of the moment. I know our so evolved and almighty western society is capable of horrible atrocities also.

There are 2 billion muslims in the world. A very very small minority uses religion to justify their acts. We used to burn women because we thought they were witches. Didn't we forgive ourselves? All those wars just because of our friend in the sky. The world needs to work together to solve this problem, not with nukes, but certaintly with war, but a fair war. A war that doesn't hurt the innocents that are in those territories. 130 people died in Paris, 250000 died in Syria already. There are innocents there!



Goodnightmoon said:
Nem said:


For that they would come out of hiding and be easier to intercept.

Really, i don't see why not. There will be casuslties, but at least the issue gets finally solved. Also, it sends a powerful message.

Come on man, you don't see why not? the entire world fearing a nuclear war all over again, yay? and that message is gold: I we don't like you, we nuke your country even if most of people that will die from the explosion and the radiation are not our target and the fallout can destroy the environment and make that place impossible to live for decades. Because ma dick says so.

Nothing justifies a nuke. Thanks God this source is bullshit because when I read the title of the thread I freaked out.


I admit the revolt with the murders in Paris did leave me compromised, but i really am sick of this beeing a recurrent issue. I am studying a foreign language in the Netherlands and there are people from countries like Iraq,Siria, afganistan there. Now, the ones i know seem perfectly normal and friendly... but when something like what happened in Paris happens just "next-door" I start thinking that i am in danger because who knows where these guys are? It makes me think that a clear message must be sent. One that ends this once and for all.

Unfortunely, i guess there is no such method without staining your hands. Maybe the solution should come on the point and origin. A friend of mine sugested that religions should be banned from europe... and tbh i completely agree with that. It is ludricous that people are still beeing killed in the name of a religion/God. I dont want to offend sensibilities or faiths, but if your faith passes through endangering your fellow men or murdering them on any level of interpretation, then it has no place in a modern society. You are free to worship whoever you want, but this shouldnt be a collective thing. Enough is enough.

But again... i doubt anything will change and this will keep dragging until its bad enough that nukes or carpet bombing will indeed be used.

The problem is, there is no "clean" way to solve things. I find myself thinking that we might aswell get on with it so we can finally live in peace. I mean we are already taking in the refugee's anyways. Might aswell finish the job.

I know its mean. I am angry over other politics in my home country, so my patience level to terrorists is at an all time low. I am fine with nuking them, even if it means some civilian casualties. From what i know, everyone that is staying is someone who conforms to ISIS, so it wont be a huge loss. If those people don't want ISIS, they should have revolted.