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cantaim said:
forest-spirit said:
It'll put even more people on the 'Nay' side that's for sure. People want something to blame and the refugee crisis is such an easy target right now. I just hope that people aren't naive enough to believe that closing down borders will protect us from ISIS in any way.

Heck one could even argue that closing the boarders will have far reaching economic conciquences as it could eliminate the whole backpack across europe tourist industry as it would become significantly harder to do that with closed boarders. Would also affect how delivery would work between EU countries which could also hurt the economy but this claim is pure speculation.


you doged a bullet there buddy. :P



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Qwark said:
Teeqoz said:


See, you're proving my point. We stopped Al Qaeda, but did we stop terror? No. And trust me, even if we were to kill of all ISIS leaders, we still wouldn't stop terror. It's a short sighted "solution" that in reality doesn't solve anything, just slightly, if at all, postpone problems.


Terror will never stop it's naive thinking it ever will. But after accepting this you can do 2 things, tolerate it like with the attacks in Denmark and on Charlie. Or you can act and at least minimalise the attacks.


First of all, tolerating muslims and other beliefs and cultures in general is not the same as tolerating terrorist attacks, that notion is just silly.

 

Second of all, you don't have to be untolerating over muslims and other beliefs and cultures in general to minimalize the attacks, so neither of those support your notion that Europe would be better off with a lot of far right governments.



cantaim said:
forest-spirit said:
It'll put even more people on the 'Nay' side that's for sure. People want something to blame and the refugee crisis is such an easy target right now. I just hope that people aren't naive enough to believe that closing down borders will protect us from ISIS in any way.

Heck one could even argue that closing the boarders will have far reaching economic conciquences as it could eliminate the whole backpack across europe tourist industry as it would become significantly harder to do that with closed boarders. Would also affect how delivery would work between EU countries which could also hurt the economy but this claim is pure speculation.

You are misunderstanding the term closing borders. It doesn't mean close it for everyone, it means close it for immigration/refugee seekers. Closing borders would not affect deliveries and maybe be a minor inconvenience at most on tourism as checks would be ramped up.

Sadly the people most affected by this will be the legitimate refugees. With luck though this will finally give Europe, US, Russia the impetus to finally put an end to this IS mess.



nanarchy said:
cantaim said:

Heck one could even argue that closing the boarders will have far reaching economic conciquences as it could eliminate the whole backpack across europe tourist industry as it would become significantly harder to do that with closed boarders. Would also affect how delivery would work between EU countries which could also hurt the economy but this claim is pure speculation.

You are misunderstanding the term closing borders. It doesn't mean close it for everyone, it means close it for immigration/refugee seekers. Closing borders would not affect deliveries and maybe be a minor inconvenience at most on tourism as checks would be ramped up.

Sadly the people most affected by this will be the legitimate refugees. With luck though this will finally give Europe, US, Russia the impetus to finally put an end to this IS mess.

 

the whole middle east is a mess. and it doesnt end there. one cant simply reduce the issue to "the IS". simply taking in refugee wave after refugee wave after repeatedly going in fighting one terror organisation after another wont solve anything. people need to get their shit together.



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It'll let more ugly-ass xenophobic Americans throw crosses on people as they deem islam as a violent religion, but not christianity. It'll also help them create more propaganda to the situation, helping them spread their cults.

I don't care if I get banned for flaming, because this happens all the time. Americans are quick to attack islam, but when something involving christianity happens, they always lie and use propaganda.

I call BS, but who cares? Americans don't appreciate logic. They prefer their stupid opinions.



 

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Zoombael said:
nanarchy said:
cantaim said:

Heck one could even argue that closing the boarders will have far reaching economic conciquences as it could eliminate the whole backpack across europe tourist industry as it would become significantly harder to do that with closed boarders. Would also affect how delivery would work between EU countries which could also hurt the economy but this claim is pure speculation.

You are misunderstanding the term closing borders. It doesn't mean close it for everyone, it means close it for immigration/refugee seekers. Closing borders would not affect deliveries and maybe be a minor inconvenience at most on tourism as checks would be ramped up.

Sadly the people most affected by this will be the legitimate refugees. With luck though this will finally give Europe, US, Russia the impetus to finally put an end to this IS mess.

 

the whole middle east is a mess. and it doesnt end there. one cant simply reduce the issue to "the IS". simply taking in refugee wave after refugee wave after repeatedly going in fighting one terror organisation after another wont solve anything. people need to get their shit together.

I agree, the west created a great deal of instability in the region. Not actually sure there a way short of turning the whole area into a wasteland to fix it now. BUT, in the meantime someone does have to deal with the expanding threat that is IS. It won't fix the region or solve all problems, but it does need to be dealt with.



Baryonyx said:
I would have cared about the refugee's if they actually behaved like refugee's. Just watch all the rape victims speak out about their experience with them. Their moms and families whom doesn't understand why they left, the war isn't even in those regions. Refugee's even treatens to go back to Syria if they don't get better food or more money.. These refugee's are escaping a economical distress not war. One of the refugee's even went back on holidays after he got is visum(permit to stay in this country) i believe 20% of them to be real, because real refugee's doesn't leave their children behind in a so called war-zone

Ridiculous claims generally need evidence... so, link? Because most of what you said sounds like bull.



Poliwrathlord said:
SuaveSocialist said:
The refugees need to escape what's happening up there and the terrorist attacks don't change this. I imagine that nations will continue to let them in and simply adapt.

Muslims cannot adapt with western/European culture. Their religion and and our way of life aren't compatible.

 

EDIT: I'm sorry I think I might've misread your comment. Did you say that European nations will adapt to the Muslims? If that is the case then Europe will no longer be Europe.

On the subject of adapting, I was actually referring to security policies, response protocol to threats and initiatives to prevent or help reverse radicalization.  I really don't see how this would make Europe no longer Europe.  Maybe you meant by tolerating Muslims Europe would not be Europe?  Nah, that makes even less sense--you must have meant something else.

As for your first sentence, your statement and reality aren't compatible.  There are over 44 million Muslims in Europe and--apart from an insignificant fraction of that number--they are living out their lives peacefully, not causing problems for anyone.  The reality is that over tens of millions of millions of Muslims have long since integrated with Western/European culture (they've actually been in Europe for over a thousand years) in such a manner that is compatibile with our way of life.  

I really don't know what you're talking about there.



I suspect the vast majority who are actual refugees will be re-victimised in the hunt for the handful of would-be and wannabe terrorists who are trying to sneak in under the cover of the refugee migration. It would be nice if the would-be and wannabe terrorists could be weeded out without trampling on the rights and dignity of real refugees, but I doubt many countries are even going to try to mitigate further bad treatment of innocent victims in their vigorous hunt for terrorists.



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nanarchy said:
Zoombael said:
nanarchy said:
cantaim said:

Heck one could even argue that closing the boarders will have far reaching economic conciquences as it could eliminate the whole backpack across europe tourist industry as it would become significantly harder to do that with closed boarders. Would also affect how delivery would work between EU countries which could also hurt the economy but this claim is pure speculation.

You are misunderstanding the term closing borders. It doesn't mean close it for everyone, it means close it for immigration/refugee seekers. Closing borders would not affect deliveries and maybe be a minor inconvenience at most on tourism as checks would be ramped up.

Sadly the people most affected by this will be the legitimate refugees. With luck though this will finally give Europe, US, Russia the impetus to finally put an end to this IS mess.

 

the whole middle east is a mess. and it doesnt end there. one cant simply reduce the issue to "the IS". simply taking in refugee wave after refugee wave after repeatedly going in fighting one terror organisation after another wont solve anything. people need to get their shit together.

I agree, the west created a great deal of instability in the region. Not actually sure there a way short of turning the whole area into a wasteland to fix it now. BUT, in the meantime someone does have to deal with the expanding threat that is IS. It won't fix the region or solve all problems, but it does need to be dealt with.


in fact the west, resp. the US replaced the stability, when they pulled out they left a power vacuum and gave IS the chance to rise.

 

also the west isnt to blame for what is going on down there. its a thing between groups of people who dont like each other. similar to the  conflicts in yugoslavia or what ireland.

 



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