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Tales of Zestiria would have been in the NPD Top 10 if those numbers were true. Destiny: TTK was 7th with under 200K at retail.

EDIT: lol, AC Syndicate PS4 < Tales of Zestiria PS4 is ridiculous.



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Isn't NDC overtracked since October NPD has it at <300k with bundles?



jlmurph2 said:

Isn't NDC overtracked since October NPD has it at <300k with bundles?


NPD has it at >300k with bundles, but yeah, still overtracked.



jlmurph2 said:

Isn't NDC overtracked since October NPD has it at <300k with bundles?

Yeah, somewhat overtracked, but not as much as one might have thought from just the non-bundled number. If we add another 25K for the final week of Oct then it will be >45K over tracked, but probably <100K over tracked (I figure if the game+bundle was <250K this insider would have written that). Which is not all that bad considering software estimates have generally low accuracy. ToZ is more likely to be the game that is badly over tracked.

I didn't know JD could be played with just a phone. A good strategy in theory to decouple the game from console specific motion control devices, but it doesn't seem to have helped with sales much.



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binary solo said:
jlmurph2 said:

Isn't NDC overtracked since October NPD has it at <300k with bundles?

Yeah, somewhat overtracked, but not as much as one might have thought from just the non-bundled number. If we add another 25K for the final week of Oct then it will be >45K over tracked, but probably <100K over tracked (I figure if the game+bundle was <250K this insider would have written that). Which is not all that bad considering software estimates have generally low accuracy. ToZ is more likely to be the game that is badly over tracked.

I didn't know JD could be played with just a phone. A good strategy in theory to decouple the game from console specific motion control devices, but it doesn't seem to have helped with sales much.

No, it's a lot because the bundles have a digital voucher and not a physical copy.



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episteme said:
binary solo said:

Yeah, somewhat overtracked, but not as much as one might have thought from just the non-bundled number. If we add another 25K for the final week of Oct then it will be >45K over tracked, but probably <100K over tracked (I figure if the game+bundle was <250K this insider would have written that). Which is not all that bad considering software estimates have generally low accuracy. ToZ is more likely to be the game that is badly over tracked.

I didn't know JD could be played with just a phone. A good strategy in theory to decouple the game from console specific motion control devices, but it doesn't seem to have helped with sales much.

No, it's a lot because the bundles have a digital voucher and not a physical copy.

Can you clarify? I'm not certain which bit you are saying no to.



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binary solo said:
episteme said:

No, it's a lot because the bundles have a digital voucher and not a physical copy.

Can you clarify? I'm not certain which bit you are saying no to.

The UC collection. It's over 300K with bundles, but the PS4s include a digital voucher. Or did VGC start to include digital numbers?

Destiny: TKK with under 200K at retail is #7 and UC is #9 in the NPD report.



Nice to see US numbers up, it's depressing to see Europe numbers down for weeks after the huge FIFA n-th rehash launch boost, despite so many games launched after it, and dragging down WW numbers too. As if I hadn't already enough reasons to be fed up of football...



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episteme said:
binary solo said:

Can you clarify? I'm not certain which bit you are saying no to.

The UC collection. It's over 300K with bundles, but the PS4s include a digital voucher. Or did VGC start to include digital numbers?

Destiny: TKK is under 200K at retail at #7 and UC is #9 in the NPD report.

When you look back at the numbers VGC gave for AC Black flag sales back when the AC bundle was selling big, it's clear that VGC counts digital sales when its attached to a hardware bundle, because it's easily countable. So until confirmed otherwise I'm taking the VGC NDC sales as including bundles. because historically that seems to be what VGC has done. I expect the Halo 5 sales to reflect this too.

Indeed for the purposes of following game sales we shouldn;t see VGC as estimtating disc sales, we should beviewing VGC data as estimating sales of a physical product VGC is actively trying to count with a game attached to it. They count sales of discs, and they count sales of consoles, and perhaps might count sales of other things (like they tried to count sales of PS Move and Kinect for a little while last gen). If there is a game attached to a conbsole then that game will be counted whether it's an on-disc game or a download voucher. In theory VGC could, and perhaps should,  estimate sales of game-specific download vouchers that are sold through retailers.



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episteme said:
binary solo said:

Can you clarify? I'm not certain which bit you are saying no to.

The UC collection. It's over 300K with bundles, but the PS4s include a digital voucher. Or did VGC start to include digital numbers?

Destiny: TKK with under 200K at retail is #7 and UC is #9 in the NPD report.

I'm pretty sure VGC includes digital copies from bundles in their numbers.