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LurkerJ said:
sc94597 said:

The architectures of modern consoles and PC's means just that. The difference in power exceeds the difference optimization would give. If you can optimize a game for a Jaguar-based cpu, then it is very likely the game will run, even when less optimized,  on an FX 6300. If you can optimize the game to run on a stripped HD 7870 then it will certainly run on an r9 380. We aren't in the age of complicated and specialized PPC cores in which the developers don't know what they are working on too well. They know pretty much what the consoles are made of and they know the limitations. This is why we have already reached a performance barrier, even for talented developers. Furthermore, current API's have allowed PC games to be quite optimized as well. 

That's why the latest CoD and the latest Batman, two of the biggest releases this year, are running worse on PC? Beta CoD BOP 3 had the same issues found in the final PC release, Come on, it's well known at this point that lots of developers just don't put a lot of effort when they port their games. Not the PC fault but it's a problem I may have to run into every now and then. The possibility alone irks me, especially that it happened already with titles that aren't cross-gen.

It has nothing to do with consoles being optimized and much to do with the PC version being a bad port (just as the consoles get bad ports here and there.) The argument that was made was consoles don't have to deal with API's and the optimization could be made with the specific hardware in mind as opposed with general hardware. The argument wasn't made that ports are bad and that PC games are not being optimized at all, even considering that they can be optimized for general performance gains. By the end of the generation all of those games you mentioned will show performance gains, while if a game runs poorly on a console it will always run poorly on a console, with possibly minute advantages with patches. Case in point: Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. There are just as many poorly performing console games as there are poorly performing PC ones. At least with PC you aren't at the whims of the developer to fix it. 

By the way

^ Better than on consoles with the r9 380. 



vivster said:
Please don't use the words "ultimate" or "gaming" or "PC" in the same sentence as $500.


Yeah that's a good point.  The titles click bait with that because you can obviously get better than that. 



I've ever been a fan of cheap PC s but I think this build is great for games that are better played on PC like MMOs and bethesda's games.



deskpro2k3 said:

OP, all that is nice and all, but this is my perfect combo:

PS4

&

i7 6700k
Z170-p motherboard
1TB SSD
EVGA Geforce GTX 980Ti SC 6GB
DDR4 16GB

ISKU FX Keyboard. KONE XTD Mouse.

 

This is god gamer status.

An XB1 and Wii U are also required to become a god gamer :)



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$600 if you don't have an OS. They always cut corners like this to make it seem like a better deal than it is. It's still a good build, but it's not really a $500 build.



sc94597 said:
LurkerJ said:

That's why the latest CoD and the latest Batman, two of the biggest releases this year, are running worse on PC? Beta CoD BOP 3 had the same issues found in the final PC release, Come on, it's well known at this point that lots of developers just don't put a lot of effort when they port their games. Not the PC fault but it's a problem I may have to run into every now and then. The possibility alone irks me, especially that it happened already with titles that aren't cross-gen.

It has nothing to do with consoles being optimized and much to do with the PC version being a bad port (just as the consoles get bad ports here and there.) The argument that was made was consoles don't have to deal with API's and the optimization could be made with the specific hardware in mind as opposed with general hardware. The argument wasn't made that ports are bad and that PC games are not being optimized at all, even considering that they can be optimized for general performance gains. By the end of the generation all of those games you mentioned will show performance gains, while if a game runs poorly on a console it will always run poorly on a console, with possibly minute advantages with patches. Case in point: Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. There are just as many poorly performing console games as there are poorly performing PC ones. At least with PC you aren't at the whims of the developer to fix it. 

By the way

 

^ Better than on consoles with the r9 380. 

I am not disagreeing with what you are saying. I am really not. I was just pointing out how Superior CPU and GPU doesn't mean it's always gonna run games better, and if it does now, will it for the next 5 years..

I am also not proposing that the PC in the OP is more expensive than consoles. That's bullshit. Online is free on PC and that alone saves you $250-300 over the years. 

All what I was trying to say in my first post here, there will always be room for consoles even if superior PCs start costing less. For many different reasons. People are not ignorant of how cheaper gaming on PC has got. A semi decent laptop with an integrated graphics card (haswell/broadwell GPUs) enables you to play a large list of compatible games at reasonable settings, a library of games that's larger than that of the PS4 is readily accessible on semi-decent laptops. Older games but they are still amazing games.

I just don't think there is rivalry between PC and consoles outside of gaming forums. Some people will always choose consoles over PCs regardless of which is better in my or your opinion, and NOT because they are ignorant, they have their reasons.

Bigger market for consoles doesn't mean smaller PC market. Bigger PC market doesn't mean smaller market for consoles. So why do people leep pitting the two against each other ?

@OP:

I refuse to have this case anywhere near my living room, let alone under my TV



I was considering getting a new PC for Fallout 4 but I decided to try it on my current PC (a tad below minimum recommendations) first to see how it worked. Honestly, I'm mostly satisfied with the results and don't feel the need to buy a new PC yet.

I've got an AMD Phenom II X4 940 with a Radeon HD 7850. The graphics card was upgraded a few years ago when my old one burned up. It set me up on medium and it's performed well except a few particular instances where it flatlined to "0 fps". Searchlights, for some reason, seem to be the biggest problem, and possibly waves on large bodies of water. I turned some unneeded effects off and it helped tremendously. I am satisfied.

I'm sure I'll get another PC within the next couple of years, though, or maybe even the next time I see a great deal. Right now, I'm struggling between processors. AMD 8300 series or should I pay the extra for an i5? Do I need an i5? I don't care at all about Ultra settings, by the way. I just want stable frames per second.



pokoko said:
I was considering getting a new PC for Fallout 4 but I decided to try it on my current PC (a tad below minimum recommendations) first to see how it worked. Honestly, I'm mostly satisfied with the results and don't feel the need to buy a new PC yet.

I've got an AMD Phenom II X4 940 with a Radeon HD 7850. The graphics card was upgraded a few years ago when my old one burned up. It set me up on medium and it's performed well except a few particular instances where it flatlined to "0 fps". Searchlights, for some reason, seem to be the biggest problem, and possibly waves on large bodies of water. I turned some unneeded effects off and it helped tremendously. I am satisfied.

I'm sure I'll get another PC within the next couple of years, though, or maybe even the next time I see a great deal. Right now, I'm struggling between processors. AMD 8300 series or should I pay the extra for an i5? Do I need an i5? I don't care at all about Ultra settings, by the way. I just want stable frames per second.

I would wait until next year to see what AMD has to offer CPU-wise. There is a large IPC advantage with Intel right now, but more and more games are using multithreading. AMD is supposed to have a large IPC gain with its Zen chips and you'll have a future-proof motherboard (AM4)  with DDR4 support compared to AM3+,and I am sure their prices will be very competitive. It seems to me as if you are satisfied with what you have now, and your GPU is still a relevant one and should play games for quite a while. You might even be able to last until the end of the generation with your PC, considering how you don't care too much about ultra settings. 



zero129 said:
LurkerJ said:
sc94597 said:

The architectures of modern consoles and PC's means just that. The difference in power exceeds the difference optimization would give. If you can optimize a game for a Jaguar-based cpu, then it is very likely the game will run, even when less optimized,  on an FX 6300. If you can optimize the game to run on a stripped HD 7870 then it will certainly run on an r9 380. We aren't in the age of complicated and specialized PPC cores in which the developers don't know what they are working on too well. They know pretty much what the consoles are made of and they know the limitations. This is why we have already reached a performance barrier, even for talented developers. Furthermore, current API's have allowed PC games to be quite optimized as well. 

That's why the latest CoD and the latest Batman, two of the biggest releases this year, are running worse on PC? Beta CoD BOP 3 had the same issues found in the final PC release, Come on, it's well known at this point that lots of developers just don't put a lot of effort when they port their games. Not the PC fault but it's a problem I may have to run into every now and then. The possibility alone irks me, especially that it happened already with titles that aren't cross-gen.

Batman was ported by something like a 4 man team who never developed on PC before. BO3 doesnt run bad on everyones set up and will be fixed with a patch. But lets act like them 2 examples are all 3rd party AAA games and that BO3 also doesnt have a number of problems on console hey?. Or how is Fallout 4 doing for you guys? the Witcher 3 on its release? ACUnity?? all them games working out ok for you console guys?. Point is using a few bad apples doesnt = everyone..

Console guys...

Dude just stop pitting the two against each other, as I've said already. No rivalry between the two outside of gaming forums.

You are not breaking any news, PC gaming got cheap long ago. As I've already said, semi decent laptops from 2013 with Haswell integrated graphics cards enable access to a large libarary of quality games.

And please, when did gamers on forums care about how much they spend? Gaming is considered an expensive hobby, dismissing anyone trying to tell you that the build in the OP can be more expensive if you add other essential things to it isn't gonna convince anyone out of getting it.

We are not ignorant of how cheaper PC gaming got, people will continue buying either this or that regardless of the list of reasons you and I provide. In ways, consoles will always be superior to PCs and the opposite is true.