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He's telling the truth. Not many games, especially multiplats, actually ran at a native 720p. Several games ran at 600p or 640p. The Call of Duty games are the highest profile examples. Most games were upscaled. 

No where in my post did i say 900p will achieve 60 frames, if you took the time in reading what i wrote i stated "would you rather play it at 900p and closer to a 60 frames or a rock solid 30 frames?" Theres a much bigger jump to hit 60 frames then lowering to 900p and thats nothing new. The problem with games today is that we still get games with screen tearing, unconsistent frame rates and bad pop ins, and i can go on and on with this. Consoles arent perfect and are very limited however in 2015 we get games like Fallout 4 that gives us last generation problems. Why would they release this game knowing theres going to be stutters and dips closer to 20 FPS? Are we gaming on premium consoles? Why is it when i play something on the WiiU i get no screen tearing, bad dips in frames for there top tier games?

Lowering the resolution to 900p was an example and will help the console achieve other things to help improve the gameplay and preformance, but instead we are now buying a game with many day one issues and last generation problems which we are all now waiting on patches and updates, even then it wont hit a rock solid 30 frames because Fallout 4 is aiming to high to achieve what it needs to do. Iv seen the countless articles when a game doesnt hit 1080p, iv read the feed back multiple times of gamers being upset because for some odd reason 1080p is the make or break decision for a purchase.

Dont get me wrong there are acouple great exceptions that devs have done this gen, games like Infamous (apart from the lack of enermy AI) and Forza Horizon 2 are great examples but most of the market is filled with games that dont offer the real standard for next gen and thats games with no dips etc.

Simple, dont aim for 1080p if the frame rate cant keep up, or atleast focus on reducing screen tearing and pop ups. Theres alot more you can do at 900p, every bit counts.

Nopes, you're wrong too. There's a difference between "most games running at 600p" vs "a handful of games run at 600p".

I'm looking at the list and yeah, most are 720p.

Except you did.

"Closer to" isn't going to happen, neither is hitting 60, a rock solid 30 is possible by fixing the ENGINE issues that result from transparencies and cache loading, beyond these the game sticks to 30 pretty damn well even at 1080p.

Fallout 4 on both XBO/PS4 does not have screen teraring, some games do but the games that do, the developers made the descision to allow it in order to push additional frames that would otherwise have been kulled, usually for games that benefit from a higher framerate but are too demanding to attain it consistently.

Of course they are, the entire console is cheaper than most 2015 games minimum suggested GPU, expecting similar performance, EVEN IF they dropped the resolution all the way down to 720P is unrealistic.

Because the stutters are engine bugs, bugs that can be fixed in patches, but more importantly, because people who have been dying to play Fallout 4 for all these years are likely too busy having fun playing the game to whine about the otherwise fairly solid framerate dropping in gunfights or the once in a blue moon occasion you end up in a steam filled corridoor fighting ghouls.

No, what in the world gave you the impression that three consoles all using entry level hardware would ever be "premium"?

Because Nintendo prioritize that consistency over complexity, and use artstyle to cover up the fact that the models and textures are all fairly low quality, low quality meshes and textures means less surfaces to calculate light on, less vertex to track, simpler collision boxes, less video memory and therefor less data to move around.

To put it another way, they are built from the ground up to stay below a certain threashold, for XBO/PS4/PC, games are built to push the machine as much as possible and deliver much higher quality mesh and textrues, this is in part why you don't see third party games on WIIU anymore, because the engine used for XBO/PS4/PC is just the same engine with platform specific tweaks, to have the game run on the WiiU would take not only modifying the engine significantly, but downscaling all of the games assets.

Fallout 3 sticks to 30fps most of the time, reducing it's resolution would make little to no impact for the reasons i stated in my first reply, as for " 900p was an example and will help the console achieve other things to help improve the gameplay and preformance" this copout roughly translates to "Fine you got me there but it could help someone else, im not sure where because i don't have a clue but if i keep repeating it maybe peope will believe me".

Ask anyone, ANYONE who has bought the game, if they regret buying it because it occasionally dips in framerates or freezes briefly when loading in more of the map, go on, i'll wait.

1080p improves overall presentation and given that last generation games were mostly between 720p-900p, most people associate that resolution as being last gen, developers on the other hand shoot for a consistent setup across the board where possible. As for articles, it's mostly from sites like gearnuke and similar who love running stories about resolution because it gets idiots out in their droves fighting each other, which in turn makes them money.

What it boils down to is target framerate, if Fallout 4 runs fairly consistently at 30fps, (inconsistency NOT because of the resolution), and they test out a lower resolution, and the game still has the same inconsistencies despite it, but also, with vsync unlocked still doesnt have enough impact to make a difference, then dropping the resolution makes no sense, none at all. if an engine renders the world at a fairly stable 30fps but only drops under certain situations which are down to issues with the engine itself, resolution will not make one ounce of difference.

1080p and 900p on fallout 4 would have the exact same issues.
Fallout 4 does not have screen tearing
Pop ups have nothing to do with resolution, and reducing resolution does not magically mean you can extend object LOD load ranges
There isn't "Alot" more you can do at 900p, because it isn't the GPU's being strained here, it's the CPU's and the system bus pushing data from storage to memory that cause the issues.

I vote for having a solid frame rate over 1080p. It's always best for native resolution, but if dropping to 900p give you 60 fps then do so.

Sounds like they need to tweek the engine some more. That's pretty common with this developer and thing should be running great in a few months.

I wonder if this is also why they have pushed back console mods till next year?

I think that 1080p/30 need to be standard and this gen like 720p/30 was last gen and that games need to aiming for 1080p/60, but only if that can be achievable and that doesn't affect smooth experience of game itself.
If game have problems on 1080p/30 than its better to go for 900p/30fps.

I used to think like you when this gen started, 60FPS felt unnaturally smooth for some reason. Then I played Gears UE multiplayer... going from 60FPS to 30FPS campaign was horrible and even previous gears titles feel bad now. Same with first person shooters, it takes a while to get used to 30FPS and playing Halo 5 at 60FPS is a joy. So today my opinion is, 60FPS is clearly superior and really worth other compromisses. I also tried Forza 6 demo and boy was that 60FPS sweet for a racing game..

That said, I'm fine with games like Fallout, Witcher 3 etc. to run at 30FPS and I'm not really botherer by some dips either. I also don't see much difference between 1080p and 900p so I'd say solid framerate is more important than resolution. I've absolutely no tech knowledge tho, so I don't know if lowering resolution helps with framerate issues, but didn't they do the dynamic resolution thing for Halo to make framerates solid? I think it was a brilliant idea.

It's hardly in the exact same messy positiona s it is on consoles, especially going by Steam forums, reviews and of course watching streamers on YT shows they are having more fun and a lot less issues than major stuttering, frame hangs and bad textures like the current gen systems are having issues with. No need to lump PC into this just to show up on a dev you dislike.

GT4 already did the dynamic resolution thing by dropping half the scan lines under load, looked a bit odd. Wipeout HD did it too although not enough with the fury expansion, still causing some drops and screen tear. Halo does a lot more scaling than just resolution to stay on target, half rate animation, aggressive dynamic lod for shadows, alpha effects, models and debris.

Looks like Cod black ops 3 is trying resolution scaling too, fails

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-call-of-duty-black-ops-3-performance-analysis

PS4 ranges between 1360x1080 to 1920x1080
Xbox One we're looking at a sustained 1280x900 resolution (upto 1600x900)
PS4 hands in an average frame-rate of 51fps, Xbox One is at 49fps (with drops to 28)

It seems capping at 30 would have been the better choice.

Maybe devs should not aim to max out the system all the time, aim a bit lower, keep some overhead available so the frame rate is steady and/or the image quality doesn't have to change constantly. I thought this gen would bring less pop up, not think of new ways to add more.