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LivingMetal said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Nope last gen the 360 was the best platform for multiplatform games.


Almost all of my third party multi-platform games were better on the PS3 in some form or another.

The 360 was well known for running multiplat games better.  Sure you might have had to swap discs for some games but that's a small price to pay.



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"We have no problem money-hatting companies to make sure we get exclusive games"



DevilRising said:
"We have no problem money-hatting companies to make sure we get exclusive games"


They're talking about 3rd party exclusive content, not games. Nice try guy.



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Zoombael said:


read and understand. i am calling shovelware ... shovel ware. 

if you dont know the definiton of the term look it up.

 

yaya. and i hope you dont call shovelware crap noteworthy exclusives.


You are not being clear here.



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SWORDF1SH said:
Sharpryno said:

1. Consoles are known for big AAA games.  The PS4 is lacking in that area right now.
2.  When you bring up the non AAA games and how the PS4 has had a lot I direct you to PC where they outnumber the consoles vastly. Meaning I don't see why that is a pro to you as PC destroys consoles when it comes to games that are not AAA.
3. Ofc I believe MS did the Tomb Raider deal because Sony was getting exclusive content for stuff like Watch Dogs and Black Flag as well as year long DLC for Destiny.  Of course I cannot confirm this but it makes a lot of sense.  Sony is simply going to one up MS when it comes to third party and MS will try to do the same. 

The proof of less first party content is the final two years of PS3 exclusives vs the exclusives of the PS4's life thus far.  Sure it takes time but if sales were reversed I believe Sony would have had a lot more out by now. 
but opinions and stuff.  

Let's take it back to the start.

"The only BS things about this is withholding content from the other console, like Sony has done, year long dlc, which sony has done. Causing MS to respond by getting Tomb Raider console exclusive for a year."

This is just complete nonsense. You single out Sony for doint this when MS did it by far the most last gen and still doing it this gen. Then you try an say the reason MS bought TR was because of Sony when MS themselves have said they bought it to battle Uncharted. If we go by your logic, what made MS get Dead Rising 3 exclusivity before this gen even kicked off? Did Sony do something to make them get Titanfall exclusivity? You can have an opinion but ones with faulty logic will get questioned and exploited.

When questioned by protendo you resort to this

Idc whose fault it is.  It will get worse and worse and less first party games willl result as a cause.  Sony is not being smart about it atm imo.

So now you want to sweep the blame under the carpet because fingers were pointing at MS. Then you go on to say that first party games will be affected. So does it go down something like this at Sony,

Kaz - Hey Shu, we have just snagged some third party exclusive rights, can you tell all developers to stop working on their games right now.

Shu - Yes sir, I will get Santa Monica to work on the marketing campaign stratergy, Polyphony Digital can knock up some images for our ad campaign and Naughty Dog can film the commercials. The rest of the studios can hang around to give their opinions.

Kaz - Good job Shu, who needs 1st party games anyway when we have Blops, Destiny and Star Wars under our belt.

MS had a massive lead and the deals started coming when they slowed down on first party content and when Sony started putting out a massive list of first party, AAA, exclusives.  It's more of the opposite now but 2016 seems okay for Sony in terms of first party.  Taking their sweet time.  

But MS has deals for Fallout and the only console getting The Division multiplayer next month, Dark Souls 3 and many more lined up.  They are also getting parity in graphics for many of the big games.

Really do not know where you are doing with this, also your arguments changed again.

You hate third party deals with a passion and "Sony is not being smart" but then go to defend why MS did it last gen, start another argument about Sony's first party and the talk as if you have no problem with the third party deals MS have coming up.

I mean what is it? Do you hate third party deals or just hate third party deals when Sony do it?

For the big AAA exclusives, what consoles are known for.   PC gets way more exclusives than consoles.   Zero flagship games so far.  I'll be getting one for Uncharted.   You are telling me Sony is pumping out first party content as rapidly as they were in the final years of the PS3's life???!! LOL. 

Your argument taken a turn again. It's gone from "I hate all third party exclusive Sony started it" to "MS third party deals are ok" to "It's affectin Sony's first party games" to "compare Sony's first party end of PS3 to start of PS4" to "PC gets way more exclusives". Yep now you have now included PC. You're argument is so over the place it's stupid. We answer one of you stupid logics and you come back with new argument and a different logic. Why has it slipped so far away from your original point?


What should I stop?   Change what argument?  I have said nothing but facts about why this is a slippery slope in response to two guys that are happy that Sony is doing this to get back at MS.

If you believe you stated nothing but facts then you are truly lost and blind. There's no helping you


You don't think Sony has slowed down on first party content?  How?  The more third party deals = the fewer first party content.  What is so difficult for you to understand about that?  How am I trolling? 

How does "more third party deals = the fewer first party content"? Saying it doesn't make it true. Give the reason why it will? What is your logic behind this thinking? First party releases may have slowed down but it's not from the developers slowing down. There's a difference and it''s certainly not because of third party deals.


1. Consoles are known for big AAA games.  The PS4 is lacking in that area right now.
2.  When you bring up the non AAA games and how the PS4 has had a lot I direct you to PC where they outnumber the consoles vastly. Meaning I don't see why that is a pro to you as PC destroys consoles when it comes to games that are not AAA.

And finally this. I'm not sure why saying PS4 has no AAA games is so important. Well it's gone from "Zero flagship games" to lacking AAA games. So Infamous, Killzone, DriveClub, Bloodbourne, Until Dawn and MLB aren't AAA titles. The best thing is that Sony have got out an average amount of first party games since launch but its a new platform and games take years to make. 2016 is where the hard work will start to show.

And the PC argument, I don't get it. What are you proving? Remember you original argument was "third party exclusives are bad".

I've tried my best to answer everything but you've made a mess of the argument. Keep to your original point next time.

Agree.



Zkuq said:
Moneyhatting is bad so I don't entirely like this (and I didn't like it during the previous generation either). That said, true partnerships, such as publishing deals, are OK and actually a good thing.


When a company pays millions of dollars to simply be able to show an ad on TV, even though every owner of the rivial console KNOWS it's going to be on their system on the same day? It just feels pointless to me. I can't believe people are now arguing who gets marketing rights these days. It's like, who cares? Both console get the game right? 



AlfredoTurkey said:
Zkuq said:
Moneyhatting is bad so I don't entirely like this (and I didn't like it during the previous generation either). That said, true partnerships, such as publishing deals, are OK and actually a good thing.


When a company pays millions of dollars to simply be able to show an ad on TV, even though every owner of the rivial console KNOWS it's going to be on their system on the same day? It just feels pointless to me. I can't believe people are now arguing who gets marketing rights these days. It's like, who cares? Both console get the game right? 

Marketing rights aren't bad but when it takes stuff away from another platform, it's bad for us gamers. PS4 gamers don't get anything from taking COD DLC from xbox owners for a month. Same with TR, XB1 fans were already getting it but MS paid to stop it from reaching the PS4 this year. It sucks and it easy to ignore it when your platform is getting all the deals.

That said, it can be a good deal for a company so from a business point of view, deals are used to get the advantage over the competition. It's dog eat dog.



walsufnir said:
LivingMetal said:


Almost all of my third party multi-platform games were better on the PS3 in some form or another.


Which? How many? I mean, it's easy to pick the few games that actually were better and say "hey, I bought exactly these games! Proven wrong, hahahaha!" But seriously, the majority of multiplatform games were better. Picking contradicting examples doesn't make the fact false.


"Almost all of my" is a key phrase here.  Just some how virtually every multi-platform game I bought for last gen was better on the PS3 than the Xbox 360.  Generalizing is not the best tactic in this case.



KingdomHeartsFan said:
LivingMetal said:


Almost all of my third party multi-platform games were better on the PS3 in some form or another.

The 360 was well known for running multiplat games better.  Sure you might have had to swap discs for some games but that's a small price to pay.


Ummm... No.  I wasn't even considering disc swapping so here are some examples:

Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - Tweaked graphics, option of Japanese voiceovers, selesctable character portraits.

Eternal Sonata: Re-worked better ending, two additional playable characters, bonus locations.

Ninja  Gaiden Sigma: Higher resolution and framerate, extra playable character.

Darksiders: Better framerate, less screen tearing.

L.A. Noire: Better draw distance, runs smoother.

Blaz Blue: D-pad better for fighting games.

Dead Space: Limited Editition, comes with Extraction, looks better.

Dante's Inferno: Better looking, extra content.

Dynasty Warriors 7: Less pop-in, better framerate.

Dragon Age: Better visuals.

Enchanted Arms: Extra character.

Borderlands: Looks better overall.

And these are just a few examples.  My whole point is that saying multi-platform games last gen being better on the Xbox 360 is not as clear cut as some would hope.  It was more true in the beginning, but it's now more stigma.