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Zoombael said:

 

if its any consolation. i wouldnt call you a troll but someone who has no idea.

 

killzone and infamous no franchises ps is known for? from software game insignificant? 

 

pc way more exclusives? O_o

do you seriously call shovelware crap worth mentioning exclusives?

I seriously hope you're not calling PC exclusives shovelware crap let alone claiming the platform has way less.



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foodfather said:
I fail to see whats to be impressed about this. Multuplatform games should remain so. If its by a third party, why should one userbase miss out just because one company is throwing money at the devs???

When MS did it with a couple of franchises last gen, PS3 owners were upset about it.

Now Sony seem to be doing this with every game virtually having an hour or sometimes even more exclusive to their console and this is commendable???

This to me is lazy and cheap.

It's just the natural flip flopping you see from fanbases from one gen to another. It's worse here because between MicroSony, the Sony userbase is much much larger. So of course you saw more backlash and posts against certain things last gen.

Last gen paying for online was a joke, I would never do it! Oh, ok. PS+ is required. Well uh um uh at least there are free games!
Last gen indie/downloadable titles were a joke, I would never buy one! Now they are vitally important.
Last gen securing 3rd party exclusive deals was dishonorable, deplorable, and a sign of weakness. Now it's fine because publishers are probably begging Sony for it.
Last gen paying other companies to make your games showed a lack of devotion to gaming and a weak stable of developers. Now hey who cares man, it's fine!
Having certain devs focus on one big franchise is a bad thing, unless they are Polyphony or SSM.
Last gen performance/visual differences were no big deal, who cares! Now if one game is 1080p and one is 900p LOL why u gonna buy that PSone looking 900p garbage, breh?

Among many others. Of course, you could argue the same the other way. Last gen some here gloated big about MP games looking and running worse on PS3, now they don't mind the shoe being on the other foot. Among others. But again it just looks worse because of the amount of fans on each side. This is normal hypocrisy that goes on when people enlist for console warz.

That said, I'm surprised this is even news? I mean, surely these deals for timed exclusive content (and timed exclusive content inside of downloadable content, LOL, Destiny) are multiyear. It's not like they're just going to stop.



Miguel_Zorro said:
There are many reports from this thread. Why do you guys have to ruin threads by acting like this? Cut it out.

This is why we can't have nice things.


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Chazore said:
Zoombael said:
 

 

if its any consolation. i wouldnt call you a troll but someone who has no idea.

 

killzone and infamous no franchises ps is known for? from software game insignificant? 

 

pc way more exclusives? O_o

do you seriously call shovelware crap worth mentioning exclusives?

I seriously hope you're not calling PC exclusives shovelware crap let alone claiming the platform has way less.


read and understand. i am calling shovelware ... shovel ware. 

if you dont know the definiton of the term look it up.

 

yaya. and i hope you dont call shovelware crap noteworthy exclusives.




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Sharpryno said:
SWORDF1SH said:
Sharpryno said:

Accusing someone of trolling when they obviously are not is trolling... What am I baiting?  My point was how third party deals are going to get worse and two people replied to me saying they are happy Sony is getting back at MS.  You don't think Sony has slowed down on first party content?  How?  The more third party deals = the fewer first party content.  What is so difficult for you to understand about that?  How am I trolling?  

You just keep moving the goal posts. You started out by saying MS got Tomb Raider exclusivity because of Sony, that argument soon changed. You you started bringing in stuff about PC. Not even sure what that tries to prove. Anyway please provide facts and explain why third party deals slows down first party developement. I would like to know how you link the 2.

1. Consoles are known for big AAA games.  The PS4 is lacking in that area right now.
2.  When you bring up the non AAA games and how the PS4 has had a lot I direct you to PC where they outnumber the consoles vastly. Meaning I don't see why that is a pro to you as PC destroys consoles when it comes to games that are not AAA.
3. Ofc I believe MS did the Tomb Raider deal because Sony was getting exclusive content for stuff like Watch Dogs and Black Flag as well as year long DLC for Destiny.  Of course I cannot confirm this but it makes a lot of sense.  Sony is simply going to one up MS when it comes to third party and MS will try to do the same. 

The proof of less first party content is the final two years of PS3 exclusives vs the exclusives of the PS4's life thus far.  Sure it takes time but if sales were reversed I believe Sony would have had a lot more out by now. 
but opinions and stuff.  

Let's take it back to the start.

"The only BS things about this is withholding content from the other console, like Sony has done, year long dlc, which sony has done. Causing MS to respond by getting Tomb Raider console exclusive for a year."

This is just complete nonsense. You single out Sony for doint this when MS did it by far the most last gen and still doing it this gen. Then you try an say the reason MS bought TR was because of Sony when MS themselves have said they bought it to battle Uncharted. If we go by your logic, what made MS get Dead Rising 3 exclusivity before this gen even kicked off? Did Sony do something to make them get Titanfall exclusivity? You can have an opinion but ones with faulty logic will get questioned and exploited.

When questioned by protendo you resort to this

Idc whose fault it is.  It will get worse and worse and less first party games willl result as a cause.  Sony is not being smart about it atm imo.

So now you want to sweep the blame under the carpet because fingers were pointing at MS. Then you go on to say that first party games will be affected. So does it go down something like this at Sony,

Kaz - Hey Shu, we have just snagged some third party exclusive rights, can you tell all developers to stop working on their games right now.

Shu - Yes sir, I will get Santa Monica to work on the marketing campaign stratergy, Polyphony Digital can knock up some images for our ad campaign and Naughty Dog can film the commercials. The rest of the studios can hang around to give their opinions.

Kaz - Good job Shu, who needs 1st party games anyway when we have Blops, Destiny and Star Wars under our belt.

MS had a massive lead and the deals started coming when they slowed down on first party content and when Sony started putting out a massive list of first party, AAA, exclusives.  It's more of the opposite now but 2016 seems okay for Sony in terms of first party.  Taking their sweet time.  

But MS has deals for Fallout and the only console getting The Division multiplayer next month, Dark Souls 3 and many more lined up.  They are also getting parity in graphics for many of the big games.

Really do not know where you are doing with this, also your arguments changed again.

You hate third party deals with a passion and "Sony is not being smart" but then go to defend why MS did it last gen, start another argument about Sony's first party and the talk as if you have no problem with the third party deals MS have coming up.

I mean what is it? Do you hate third party deals or just hate third party deals when Sony do it?

For the big AAA exclusives, what consoles are known for.   PC gets way more exclusives than consoles.   Zero flagship games so far.  I'll be getting one for Uncharted.   You are telling me Sony is pumping out first party content as rapidly as they were in the final years of the PS3's life???!! LOL. 

Your argument taken a turn again. It's gone from "I hate all third party exclusive Sony started it" to "MS third party deals are ok" to "It's affectin Sony's first party games" to "compare Sony's first party end of PS3 to start of PS4" to "PC gets way more exclusives". Yep now you have now included PC. You're argument is so over the place it's stupid. We answer one of you stupid logics and you come back with new argument and a different logic. Why has it slipped so far away from your original point?


What should I stop?   Change what argument?  I have said nothing but facts about why this is a slippery slope in response to two guys that are happy that Sony is doing this to get back at MS.

If you believe you stated nothing but facts then you are truly lost and blind. There's no helping you


You don't think Sony has slowed down on first party content?  How?  The more third party deals = the fewer first party content.  What is so difficult for you to understand about that?  How am I trolling? 

How does "more third party deals = the fewer first party content"? Saying it doesn't make it true. Give the reason why it will? What is your logic behind this thinking? First party releases may have slowed down but it's not from the developers slowing down. There's a difference and it''s certainly not because of third party deals.


1. Consoles are known for big AAA games.  The PS4 is lacking in that area right now.
2.  When you bring up the non AAA games and how the PS4 has had a lot I direct you to PC where they outnumber the consoles vastly. Meaning I don't see why that is a pro to you as PC destroys consoles when it comes to games that are not AAA.

And finally this. I'm not sure why saying PS4 has no AAA games is so important. Well it's gone from "Zero flagship games" to lacking AAA games. So Infamous, Killzone, DriveClub, Bloodbourne, Until Dawn and MLB aren't AAA titles. The best thing is that Sony have got out an average amount of first party games since launch but its a new platform and games take years to make. 2016 is where the hard work will start to show.

And the PC argument, I don't get it. What are you proving? Remember you original argument was "third party exclusives are bad".

I've tried my best to answer everything but you've made a mess of the argument. Keep to your original point next time.



Snatching up exclusivity or doing some deal for a game of a well liked series is wise and it gives further incentive for more gamers to buy a PS4. Devs will naturally take their games to the market leader anyway. The PS4 game library is gonna rival the PS2's.



Chazore said:
As long as it doesn't involve fucking over PC then I'm fine with whatever, even though I still see it as a dirty practice in general.


I've been noticing that alot of the annouced games are for pc too. I'm really looking forward to No man's sky though. 



bananaking21 said:

“The days of a platform holder working in isolation are long-gone."

so true. i reckon they will start to take the majority of the big deals. CoD, battlefront, Battlefield, Assassins Creed, anything rockstar related as well.


This was already true last gen.



LivingMetal said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Nope last gen the 360 was the best platform for multiplatform games.


Almost all of my third party multi-platform games were better on the PS3 in some form or another.


Which? How many? I mean, it's easy to pick the few games that actually were better and say "hey, I bought exactly these games! Proven wrong, hahahaha!" But seriously, the majority of multiplatform games were better. Picking contradicting examples doesn't make the fact false.