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AnthonyW86 on 15 November 2015
The Fury said:
Dealing is the issue not possession. It's a nice idea but it depends on what is 'small', a dealer will get around it.


Actually demand is the issue, not supply. Without demand their wouldn't be any supply. And without money to be made, there would be no dealers.



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baloofarsan on 15 November 2015

Anyone here having personal experience from the portugal solution (14 years of decriminalizeation of all drugs?
http://m.mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.iVWi930T3



niallyb on 15 November 2015
Mr.Playstation said:

Well done Ireland, not >:(!


I'm from Ireland and I have some very close friends who work in addiction counseling and harm reduction there.  I can tell you from their  20+ years of working in this field  - turning addicts or recreational users into criminals and putting them into jail is the *WORST* thing you can do.

 

Recreational pot is harmless.  Decriminalizing the personal usse of Cocaine and Heroin will break the back of organized crime.

 

The reality is that lots of people dabble.  Forcing some idealogical viewpoint that automatically criminalizes them does nothing to help anyone.   The money spent on imprisoning these people will be spent on education programs, counseling and therapy for those who need it.



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niallyb on 15 November 2015
Soleron said:
tiffac said:
Cannabis I can understand but Cocaine and Heroin?... Ain't those two really bad and doesn't actually provide any benefits?

Decriminalisation =/= "we really think this a great thing"

This move is a simple calculation of police hours and jail costs saved, and health improvements due to current users becoming trackable and using in safe environments, and reduction in organised crime vs the benefits of it being illegal.


THIS !  Well said Soleron.



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niallyb on 15 November 2015
Bryank75 said:
tiffac said:


So its big government trying to save money at the expense of its citizens?!

These politicians really need to be on minimum freaking wages. -_-


Would love to see this and have said this many times irl. Our Taoiseach (prime minister) gets paid more than Obama. 

Mercifully this one doesn't own an Island and a massive mansion  (and custom charvet shirts :)) .  God bless you Charlie Haughey  - you were a TOTAL criminal but you were at least an entertaining one unlike the current generation of bedwetters in power at home right now :)



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niallyb on 15 November 2015
AnthonyW86 said:
The Fury said:
Dealing is the issue not possession. It's a nice idea but it depends on what is 'small', a dealer will get around it.


Actually demand is the issue, not supply. Without demand their wouldn't be any supply. And without money to be made, there would be no dealers.


But the supply creates its own demand in the case of something like heroin.   Dealers in dublin were notorious for giving small bags of H to school children for free just to get them hooked and turn them into long term customers.   Exposing this practice was what got the journalist Veronica Guerin murdered (its a great movie btw - I  recommend it)



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Derek89 on 15 November 2015

About time:



niallyb on 15 November 2015
ganoncrotch said:
So they are going to allow people to have the drugs being legal... but not question in the slightest where the drugs are coming from? Unless they make dealing drugs legal too this is just idiotic.

Would be like trying to legalize shooting people with guns, but keeping gun ownership/handling/selling/buying illegal.


You don't seem to understand . The idea is to go after the dealers and not waste time and effort criminalizng someone who just dabbles or has an addiction problem.  This exact policy has been implemented in Portugal and it has been VERY successful.



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Bryank75 on 15 November 2015
niallyb said:
Bryank75 said:
tiffac said:


So its big government trying to save money at the expense of its citizens?!

These politicians really need to be on minimum freaking wages. -_-


Would love to see this and have said this many times irl. Our Taoiseach (prime minister) gets paid more than Obama. 

Mercifully this one doesn't own an Island and a massive mansion  (and custom charvet shirts :)) .  God bless you Charlie Haughey  - you were a TOTAL criminal but you were at least an entertaining one unlike the current generation of bedwetters in power at home right now :)


"Like a shit Bond villain" was my favourite quote about Haughey. 



niallyb on 15 November 2015
Derek89 said:

About time:

well said :)



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