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Yes, I'd eliminate or bl... 50 28.57%
 
Yes, I'd edit it to make... 9 5.14%
 
No, I'd leave it be. 71 40.57%
 
Depends on the case, depends on the context. 31 17.71%
 
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You know what? I find this discussion completely ridiculous - because there are people who have their children change their bodies sexually because it's the "right" thing to do.

Think about it.

Sexualizing a minor? Bad.
Changing a minor's sex, possibly with adverse effects and possibly based on just your whims? Good.

I mean, and this will just result in people finding other ways to get satisfaction. "So what if she looks twelve, it's clearly stated that she's actually ten thousand years old!" "What are you talking about? This middle school girl is clearly 18! (points to character bio)"
And even then, there will be people who judge actions and deeds - yet don't understand them. For instance, chibi (super-deformed) art. I remember that the precedent for this kind of art being banned in Canada is the Kama Sutra but drawn with super-deformed characters. I kid you not.
Then, there is the chance that these people - no longer having an outlet - will turn to real children. I'll let you figure out how they'll get access to real children, but either way, if you sexualize a child - real or otherwise - you're going to jail, anyway, in the eyes of the law.

Oddly enough, the pedophilia acceptance movement is already starting to take off - just look at Salon or Jezebel or some other progressive tabloid website.



 
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Fake people do not need protection or rights, so no censorship in fiction, even if I think some stuff are sick



If you think about sex if you see a 13 year old girl in a bikini, something is wrong with you.



there are no boundaries in fiction, censorship in fiction is a form of fascism. you may regulate the market to make sure underage people don't get access to certain contents without permission of their parents, but among adults there is nothing that should ever be censored in fiction. again,to me, trying to ban any form of fiction is fascism



Personally, I would censor it. For reasons that go towards the general public.
I, myself, don't really care, since it's a fictional character, it's a video game, it's unrealistic, and it's main audience is expected to be mature enough and smart enough to understand this, and not make a big deal about it.

But for someone who has never played video games before, or has a negative view of video games, they here about something like this where a 13 year old girl is being sexually depicted in some way, shape, or form, in a Nintendo published exclusive, nonetheless.
The amount of backlash, bad press, and viral negativity they'd get from various journalists, News Stations, people like Anita Sarkesian or Zoe Quinn would get involved, and all this other headache inducing stuff.
It's just not worth it.
So I don't blame them, this time.
In fact, if my memory serves me right, they, along with Square Enix, ran into a similar situation with Bravely Default.



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ArchangelMadzz said:

Child porn is illegal but sexual content like skimpy outfits and such isn't so it's not a legal issue here. It's a moral one really.


2015. May 68 was 47 years ago. Skimpy clothes are still considered "sexual".

It's just a design choice.



Johnw1104 said:

That's about the only thing I prefer being censored... Kids should not be sexualized even if it's just a video game.

Really, everyone knows deep down why we like erotic portrayals of people in games and art, so there's somethg inherently wrong in portraying minors in such a way as there's really only the one reason to do it.

I suppose there's something of a cultural divide here, though, in that girls in their early to mid teens have long been sexualized in Japanese art/anime etc... I still remember being surprised by the unedited original Dragonball series with how they treated the child version of Bulma. Of course, people often incorrectly conflate this with pedophilia when technically it's called "ephebophilia" (attraction to 15-19 year olds) which is not considered a mental illness, but they do often seem to go younger than 15 at times in their animes.

This is, of course, not exclusively a Japanese thing, historically speaking. The Greeks (and to a lesser extent the later romans) very much idolized the young male (~11-18) body as is quite evident in their art and sculpture, so it can certainly just be a cultural thing. That said, it still strikes me as wrong to portray these kids in that fashion, and it is especially egregious when they simply claim they're "15" or older but draw them with the appearance of a ten year old. That's one loophole that certainly needs closing.


The difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia is not any arbitrary point in age. It's not "from 15". It's about the look of the body. If the body is still the body of the child and that's what's turning somebody on - it's pedophilia. If the body is already developed and is the body of a young woman or man, it's ephebophilia. In fact, you can see this reflected in the laws of different countries, which allow people to have sex from a different age. In Europe it's usually 15 (Poland for example), but in Italy it's 14, while in Spain 13. So in Spain you could bang the chick from XCX and everything would be fine  That's also why in any case we can't talk pedophilia in XCX case. That girl is already very well developed (looks certainly more than 13) - she's got boobs and the body shape of a grown up woman. They could easily put a higher age and be over with it. It is a sci-fi game after all, they could just as well say she's 3000 years old.



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StarOcean said:
Why would I censor it? Up until a few months ago I was a minor, and as a minor I found other like-aged people sexy as hell. Why deny other minors to get to see sexy-dressed digital guys/girls? XD Its just old people who find it offensive because they think its aimed towards them for some reason


This is what it all comes down to, really. Games like Xenoblade and similar anime-related works aren't aimed at mature gamers, which is why it makes sense to have 13-year olds running around half-naked in combat situations.

The people who are willing to buy these games are expecting treats of this nature, while the people who are complaining would never consider buying such games in the first place.



Scisca said:
Johnw1104 said:

That's about the only thing I prefer being censored... Kids should not be sexualized even if it's just a video game.

Really, everyone knows deep down why we like erotic portrayals of people in games and art, so there's somethg inherently wrong in portraying minors in such a way as there's really only the one reason to do it.

I suppose there's something of a cultural divide here, though, in that girls in their early to mid teens have long been sexualized in Japanese art/anime etc... I still remember being surprised by the unedited original Dragonball series with how they treated the child version of Bulma. Of course, people often incorrectly conflate this with pedophilia when technically it's called "ephebophilia" (attraction to 15-19 year olds) which is not considered a mental illness, but they do often seem to go younger than 15 at times in their animes.

This is, of course, not exclusively a Japanese thing, historically speaking. The Greeks (and to a lesser extent the later romans) very much idolized the young male (~11-18) body as is quite evident in their art and sculpture, so it can certainly just be a cultural thing. That said, it still strikes me as wrong to portray these kids in that fashion, and it is especially egregious when they simply claim they're "15" or older but draw them with the appearance of a ten year old. That's one loophole that certainly needs closing.


The difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia is not any arbitrary point in age. It's not "from 15". It's about the look of the body. If the body is still the body of the child and that's what's turning somebody on - it's pedophilia. If the body is already developed and is the body of a young woman or man, it's ephebophilia. In fact, you can see this reflected in the laws of different countries, which allow people to have sex from a different age. In Europe it's usually 15 (Poland for example), but in Italy it's 14, while in Spain 13. So in Spain you could bang the chick from XCX and everything would be fine  That's also why in any case we can't talk pedophilia in XCX case. That girl is already very well developed (looks certainly more than 13) - she's got boobs and the body shape of a grown up woman. They could easily put a higher age and be over with it. It is a sci-fi game after all, they could just as well say she's 3000 years old.

Sometimes I don't want to live in a world where people equate pedophilia with ephebophilia, only one of which is a mental disorder or paraphilia.



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
archer9234 said:
LurkerJ said:

Why is having sex with a 15 year old perceived as horrible (and 16 isn't)? Isn't it just sex? Is sex harmful? Who are we trying to protect and from what?

Genuine questions.

I'd like to point out that I don't have any fantasies that involve "minors" but I like what I am reading here and I would appreciate the input of some of you. 

It's usually because morality is in play. My stance is: If the character is fictional. Being game, CGI, drawing, animation. And it involves lolicon. I'd accept it. To me it's just another thing someone wants to fap to. Let's be honest here. Anything in your room, as you read this. Someone will fap to it. No matter how dumb you think this statment is.

There is someone out there fapping to a keyboard. Lolicon is not real. It's a fantasy. Would you hate a person who is happly married for 50 years, has children. But has a room of lolicon? Did said person do ANYTHING social wrong? No. You can mark said person as weird/perverted. But not a pedophile. Since no real action of it, or abuse, has ever taken place. Because if you want to start covering this up. You have to contiune your stance to other areas. Take this photo.

 


But those photos are from a catalogue that have a purporse, show the stuff for the parents to buy cloths to children, its not made with the purporse of some sick fuck to fap to it but the character that is in the OP ( not in the OP in the other thread ) is made for what ?

I would love to know why the hell people likes shit like this or anime characters underaged in sexy poses and almost with no clothing like we saw a ton in this site in signs etc.

"Purpose" what does that even mean? The point I was making was young girls already dress pratically as adult women do now. Even boys. Since pants don't change. Everything is virtually the same. Except their outfits are cloth based VS. something more smooth/stretchy. It's still the same thing. And if you are someone that censors games like this. You have to also go after these companies too.

If those outfits, in that photo, are fine. Then I assume no one here will say XCX's character is dressing badly than? And also lobby America's Top Model to be rated TVMA. Because children shouldn't be seeing those outfits. Because they are being influenced. This is were the stupid in the rating system starts to show up. The point of ratings is to protect kids from seeing things that scare or infulence them in a bad way. At the wrong age. This is considerd bad, so....

"But those photos are from a catalogue that have a purporse, show the stuff for the parents to buy cloths to children, its not made with the purporse of some sick fuck to fap to it" You think that matters? I already said someone out their will fap to anything. Regardless on your view towards it. Same can be said here. In Japan, it's legal. So where do you draw the line. It's "fine" in some place, in the world. It's the same confusing issue when people ask why do you have a foot fetish. You do realize the "normal" attractive breasts, legs, and butts, are body parts too. And are no different than a foot, or something else. So why are people confused? This is a oxymoron.

Here's a bigger question. Would this all be fine. If all the young boys had a swiming pants option too. Like Shulk does in SSB4.