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Sony posts $280M profit. PS4 ships 4 million in Q2 & LTD = 29.3 Million

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Rab said:
Unless I'm reading this wrong

Sony Games Division: (2015)
Sales: $649 million
Operating Income: $43 million

Nintendo: (2015)
Sales: $946 million
Operating Income: $65 million

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/151028e.pdf


From what i can tell here http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/15q2_sonypre.pdf - for Sony's G&NS (Game & Networking Services) division it's:

Q2 2015:
Sales: $3~ billion
Operating Income: $200~ million

Q1 + Q2 2015:
Sales: $5.4~ billion
Operating Income: $360~ million

Maybe it's me misreading something though. I'm really not very good at these threads :p



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fluky-nintendy said:
So impressive performances from Sony overall. Majestic performance from PS4. The World needs a console market led by a Playstation console...

What in the world brought you to this conclusion? Besides your fandom ofcourse.



LordPhil said:
From gaf:

That's the 8th quarter with PS4 results. Others sales at the end of 8th quarter.

Wii- 34.55m
PS4- 29.30m
PS2- 24.99m
PS3- 16.60m
360- 13.40m

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=183355520&postcount=58

PS4 did amazing!

It's ahead of PS2 in shippings, after nearly 2 years?



Hiku said:
LordPhil said:
From gaf:

That's the 8th quarter with PS4 results. Others sales at the end of 8th quarter.

Wii- 34.55m
PS4- 29.30m
PS2- 24.99m
PS3- 16.60m
360- 13.40m

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=183355520&postcount=58

PS4 did amazing!

It's ahead of PS2 in shippings, after nearly 2 years?

PS2 was out in Japan first for like 9 months. Launch aligned they are probably tied which means ps4 slowed down considering it launched bigger than both Wii and PS2.



Nintyfan90 said:
Good numbers no doubt but now its time to be critical.
PS4 at the very beginning was outpacing Wii and PS2 easily and now just like that its 5 million behind Wii. PS2 is probably tied with it launch aligned. So its pace has slowed quite a bit. 110M is gonna be hard to pull off if you first have to make the gap up outside of your peak years. I hope that post earlier comparing Ninty and Sonys financials is a misread because if not thats terribly sad for Sony.


Possibly due to a higher rate of market saturation? The Wii was able to tap into a wider audience, (one that has since seemed to move on with the increasing complexity of mobile games, or at least didn't feel the need to go up to 8th gen,) so it wouldn't have surprised me if they were selling to a bigger market in the first place. Considering the PS4's also spent this past quarter as the most expensive of the three consoles, rather than the cheapest, there are inevitable differences between both consoles.

Even it keeping ahead of the PS2 isn't strictly apples for apples, as the PS2 spent its opening months in far fewer regions. Someone mentioned figuring out what the numbers would have been if it's launched in more regions simultaneously, but no idea. xP Even the PS2 had some fantastic circumstances behind it, though, releasing in a sort of transitional period many, MANY months before its competitors could build up steam. The Wii U actually had a similar opportunity to 'set the stage' for eigth gen, releasing so much earlier than its competitors, but due to a number of factors they either weren't interested in, or simply unable to, take advantage of the headstart to any solid degree.

I'm not actually sure the PS4 will attain the numbers of the Wii, let alone the PS2, (probably all boil down to generation length,) but both of those consoles had extremely fortuitous circumstances to bolster their efforts; kind of difficult to get that lightning in a bottle on purpose. =P



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Nintyfan90 said:
fluky-nintendy said:
So impressive performances from Sony overall. Majestic performance from PS4. The World needs a console market led by a Playstation console...

What in the world brought you to this conclusion? Besides your fandom ofcourse.


Maybe because when market was led by Playstation consoles (PS1/PS2 eras), those ended up being some of the best consoles ever ?
PS1 & PS2 game libraries are just golden.



Nintyfan90 said:

PS2 was out in Japan first for like 9 months. Launch aligned they are probably tied which means ps4 slowed down considering it launched bigger than both Wii and PS2.

These are launch alligned figures, meaning the same amount of months from the first available release date for each console. Which is the only accurate way to measure. Otherwise you'd be disregarding some sales. That one console was available in one region before another is not an issue here, unless there was still a stock shortage of PS2's after nearly 2 years, because everyone who wants the console will have picked one up at that point.
If someone who wants a PS2 was still holding out on getting one 2 years after it's initial release, then it's not because it launched in Japan 8 months earlier.

If we were talking 1 year after release, then that's a different story. But now it's nearly two years, and I don't recall PS2 having stock problems that long into its release.



SWORDF1SH said:
That a lot of PS4's sold without official price cut.

That's shipped, and some of it will be building up stock in preparation for the no doubt already planned price cut. Still, I was expecting 29 max based on VGC estimates, VGC may be short a few hundred K. I don't really expect PS4 to have more than 2 million in the retail channels even now. 2.5 million at a stretch, but not 2.8 million.

Great result for both PS4 and for Sony over all.

Game had the highest revenue of all divisions. Financial was most profitable. Mobile's ongoing loss is not good, but at least it was relatively small. And revenue was reasonable. Sony pictures is actually the biggest disappointment. The biggest loss of all the revenue earning divisions. Spectre can't come soon enough, that and that alone is likely to give Pictures a profitable full year.



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Nintyfan90 said:
fluky-nintendy said:
So impressive performances from Sony overall. Majestic performance from PS4. The World needs a console market led by a Playstation console...

What in the world brought you to this conclusion? Besides your fandom ofcourse.

3rd party developers tend to do well in Playstation dominated generations, which means greater willingness to take risks and create new IP. Clearly a PS dominated generation is not better for MS of Nintendo, so it's not an across the board thing. But for the most part its ONLY MS and Nintendo who suffer, while hopefully there will be more 3rd party start ups, and fewer 3rd party closures over the next few years. 7th generation seemed to put a lot of historically pretty decent devs in the ground. Which left us with the behemoths and the minnows and very few inbetweener developers.



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Intrinsic said:
to think a lot here predicted ~32M by january 2016. not even 3Q yet and it's pushing 29M.

consoles are dead they said.
front loaded they said
reached its peak they said.

 

Some people actually predicted it would only sell "30 mill by the end of this year" lol

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=206485