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sethnintendo said:
MotherBound said:
What surprises me the most is how calm and normal everyone else seems, like this is a daily thing for them 0_0


I like the guy lounging back. 

Actually comments from students in the classroom was that they were scrared not to do anything or get the same.  Othe videos shows a kid that stood up when this went down and he was also arrested.  Other comments on the case revealed that this is not the first incident and the students have become fearfull of reprocussions.  It seems from some people in this thread, that is the type of environment they support in our schools.



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Arminillo said:
Chevinator123 said:

Has this been posted yet? Shows the incident from different angles + some footage before.


Thats what I needed. The original video did not show if he gave proper warning or if she was resisting. While I still think the force was a tad much, I now agree his actions werent unwarranted.

Nobody is questioning if he gave proper warning, all have said she was definitely in the wrong no doubt about it.  The question is how much force was used to accomplish the task once he went into cop mode.  The other issue is that a situation of this sort need more of a mediator not a cop.  A police officer is use to policing the streets and criminals.  The way they approach those situations are very risky and thus certain level of authority is required.  In a school, cops should only be used for situations that have become or becoming violent.  This situation does not call for a cop to intervene because there was no signs at any point of violence.  It calls for someone who is willing to approach this girl like a counselor and hear why she is acting this way.  This called for someone to contact her parents and get them down their way before any act of violence is met out for something like this. 

Personally I did not believe the guy should be fired, he just should not be policing schools if he is going to go overboard like that.  I feel this school, the teacher and the Principal failed this student because none of them knew how to handle the situation so a cop had to be called in which resulted in what we see.  My personal belief is that Cops should never be the answer for non-violent situations with students at schools.



Machiavellian said:
Lawlight said:

My guess is that it's because she's black and he's white and he was fired to appease the leftists.

Or maybe just maybe, you do not want a police officer using force like that on a non-violent situation.  Why the hell would you arrest someone for disturbing a class by pulling out their phone then putting it away and acting stubborn.  Why would any of you even support that type of violence against a student in your schools.  If the girl was white, do you believe he would have kept his job.  Not sure what america you are from but I am sure it would have been much worst.


If the girl was white, this wouldn't be a story. And I'm not from any America.



If that was my kid I would be truly ashamed and apologetic to both the school and the police as no way would I accept such behaviour from them and I certainly wouldn't expect anyone else to accept it either.



Lawlight said:
Machiavellian said:

Or maybe just maybe, you do not want a police officer using force like that on a non-violent situation.  Why the hell would you arrest someone for disturbing a class by pulling out their phone then putting it away and acting stubborn.  Why would any of you even support that type of violence against a student in your schools.  If the girl was white, do you believe he would have kept his job.  Not sure what america you are from but I am sure it would have been much worst.


If the girl was white, this wouldn't be a story. And I'm not from any America.

I'm not sure what point people want to make with that comment, yet it seems they can get away with a lot less against white students... http://kxan.com/2014/04/20/officer-trips-pushes-students-after-soccer-match-police-investigating/

But sure, maybe if the girls was white, nobody would be questioning whether it was justified? Hence no story?

This ridiculous behavour from the police only reinforces distrust in authority. The one thing she is rebelling against like most teenagers. School is the time to learn there are non violent solutions to difficult problems. This school fails.



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Haha that cop owned that kid for swinging at him. These kids have no respect for authority.



SvennoJ said:
Lawlight said:
Machiavellian said:

Or maybe just maybe, you do not want a police officer using force like that on a non-violent situation.  Why the hell would you arrest someone for disturbing a class by pulling out their phone then putting it away and acting stubborn.  Why would any of you even support that type of violence against a student in your schools.  If the girl was white, do you believe he would have kept his job.  Not sure what america you are from but I am sure it would have been much worst.


If the girl was white, this wouldn't be a story. And I'm not from any America.

I'm not sure what point people want to make with that comment, yet it seems they can get away with a lot less against white students... http://kxan.com/2014/04/20/officer-trips-pushes-students-after-soccer-match-police-investigating/

But sure, maybe if the girls was white, nobody would be questioning whether it was justified? Hence no story?

This ridiculous behavour from the police only reinforces distrust in authority. The one thing she is rebelling against like most teenagers. School is the time to learn there are non violent solutions to difficult problems. This school fails.

The point is pretty simple. More coverage when the student is black. Was that officer fired like in this case? The one thing that we need to trust in is the police's ability to enforce law and order. Now they'll fear to do that due to any kind of backlash. That is why so much antisocial behaviour is possible in Australia.



Lawlight said:

The point is pretty simple. More coverage when the student is black. Was that officer fired like in this case? The one thing that we need to trust in is the police's ability to enforce law and order. Now they'll fear to do that due to any kind of backlash. That is why so much antisocial behaviour is possible in Australia.

He got a 40 day suspension. The one thing we need to do is to teach kids that the police is there to serve and protect. They're the people to turn to when you can't figure out a peaceful solution yourself, not to invite to do the dirty work. While the majority is very good at their job, a few bad apples can easily deteriorate any goodwill teenagers have for the police, especially with social media nowadays. All this does is reinforce distrust in the police. You don't solve anti social behaviour with violence, you can only suppress it.
Do you want to live in a society where the next generation only listens to authority out of fear?



Lawlight said:
Machiavellian said:

Or maybe just maybe, you do not want a police officer using force like that on a non-violent situation.  Why the hell would you arrest someone for disturbing a class by pulling out their phone then putting it away and acting stubborn.  Why would any of you even support that type of violence against a student in your schools.  If the girl was white, do you believe he would have kept his job.  Not sure what america you are from but I am sure it would have been much worst.


If the girl was white, this wouldn't be a story. And I'm not from any America.

I have to say this but because you are not from America, it proves you really do not know what you are talking about.  It would be a even bigger deal if the girl was white but for totally different reasons.  It shows people who recieve information from America only get filtered content just like the US only get filtered information from other countries.

Also you have to understand this incident went world wide because of the video more than the incident.  Incidents like this happen a lot more then you would think but until recently, never captured on video.  Its probably one of the biggest problems happening now is that a lot of cops are getting filmed doing stuff that would never make it outside of their town but with Youtube, Facebook and other social media, this stuff goes viral in days.



Lawlight said:

The point is pretty simple. More coverage when the student is black. Was that officer fired like in this case? The one thing that we need to trust in is the police's ability to enforce law and order. Now they'll fear to do that due to any kind of backlash. That is why so much antisocial behaviour is possible in Australia.

Actually you still do not get it.  The cop should never have been called to the classroom in the first place.  Its not about him enforcing a law since what the student was doing did not break any laws.

Here is a blub from the Officer who fired Fields and he make the case very clear this should not have happen because the cop should not have been called in the first place.

Sheriff Leon Lott, who fired Fields after seeing the videos, told The Associated Press on Thursday that his deputy should not have been summoned in this case. 

"It would be totally different if she were threatening the safety and security of the classroom," Lott said, "but she was just exhibiting defiant behavior and being disrespectful to the teacher."

"The role of an SRO is not a disciplinarian. We're there to keep the peace and make sure people don't break laws," Lott added.

Cops should not be called into any situation where there is no violence.  The police are not there in schools to displine students, thats the job of the Teacher, Princapal or a counselor.  This is usually the way these things are handled in schools not calling in a cop to address something as mundane as a student refusing to give up her cell phone.  Even the experts questioned why a school counselor was not called in way before the police officer.  Also they could have just ignored her like the Sheriff Leon suggested until class was over since she was not making any noise but set that quietly.