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Metroid33slayer on 29 October 2015
Ruler said:
Metroid33slayer said:

You're correct because it would recieve zero coverage, meaning no one would've posted this video on this site.


but if it would, you still wouldnt make such a comment devaluing the victicm

She is not the victim, she is the perpatrator. Her behaviour was the only reason the policeman was there.



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d21lewis on 29 October 2015

I asked this on Facebook:

What if it were at abortion clinic or a college campus. There was a peaceful protest but the persons involved were asked to leave. They refuse. The police are called in and after about a minute, the begin grabbing, slamming, and handcuffing the "offenders".

Would they be justified?



Paatar on 29 October 2015

You guys need to check all your sources. For fucks sake.
She was disrupting the class, being disrespectful and resisting arrest. She also attacked him before the video. Multiple sources state that. He did not assault her, the way he positioned his arms on her was to detain her and you can tell she obviously was very, VERY resistant.

Look up your facts before you start shit like this.



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d21lewis on 29 October 2015
Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:


I've already explained in numerous posts that the girl resisted, the cop reacted accordingly. And actions such as this is NEVER justified in any environment.  But people bring it upon themselves such as this girl for disrecpecting athority.  And I've already stated that there could have been other solutions, but that didn't happen.  But you choose to ignore that.  Go figure.  Just because i've made very valid points that reflect the reality that we live in, you are trying to paint me as a person who condones an environment that's harmful to society.  You have yet to successfully argue my points so now you are attempting to discredit me by falsehood.  It won't work. 

By resisting are you saying the half a second the cop grab her arm before putting her in a choke hold, flipping her desk backwards, throwing her out her seat and jumping on top of her was enough resistance to deserve this type of police force.  So are you saying that the police has the right to treat you and anyone else like this because you refused to get out of a chair.  I am asking this question because I am wondering just how much power are you giving the police for non-violent situations.

At BOLDED:  That is the point.  There should have been other solutions.  Just saying this is the result of a stubborn kid is one thing.  Being ok that this should be the result is something totally different.  You say you were not OK with the results but then you go on and defend it as if this should happen.  There is no grey here, if this is something you believe is not ok, then it should be something that should never happen again.  Disrecpting authorty would be if the girl yelled, cursed, hit, spit on the cop.  She did non of that, she shutdown.

I am not trying to paint you as anything, what I am trying to understand is if you are not ok about how this event went down, then how can you support how the event went down.  You really cannot stand in the middle and say this is not ok but its ok.  There is no such thing as this is the world we live in when you can make a change.  

Being a cop is a hard job no doubt about it.  As a soldier its easy, you get a command and you carry it out.  As a police officer you are presented with multiple situations where you have to think before acting.  A lot of those situations demand that a cop be patient, understanding and well trained to contain their emotions.  I would definitely say that being a cop is one of the hardest jobs out their because of the various situations that can happen.  Being a cop in a school is even toughter because of how teens are at that stage in life.  A cop who uses force like this in a non-violent situation should never be allowed to police a school.  I can tell you for a fact, I do not sit in the middle.  I feel this situation should never have happen and I also believe that as parents we make sure it never happen in our schools.

Awesome response. As a former cop of seven years and as a former jailer for one year, I totally agree.

 

Also there is something called the "Use of force continuum" (Google it) that all officers are taught. It shows the appropriate amount of force for a situation. It should kill this whole debate.



d21lewis on 29 October 2015
Paatar said:
You guys need to check all your sources. For fucks sake.
She was disrupting the class, being disrespectful and resisting arrest. She also attacked him before the video. Multiple sources state that. He did not assault her, the way he positioned his arms on her was to detain her and you can tell she obviously was very, VERY resistant.

Look up your facts before you start shit like this.

I saw a video where he grabbed her and she hit him. Can you post me a link to these "facts"? A police report or something?



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TheBlackNaruto on 29 October 2015
d21lewis said:
Paatar said:
You guys need to check all your sources. For fucks sake.
She was disrupting the class, being disrespectful and resisting arrest. She also attacked him before the video. Multiple sources state that. He did not assault her, the way he positioned his arms on her was to detain her and you can tell she obviously was very, VERY resistant.

Look up your facts before you start shit like this.

I saw a video where he grabbed her and she hit him. Can you post me a link to these "facts"? A police report or something?


You beat me to it....I was just about to ask for these "facts" because I have read all of the info released so far and have seen NOTHING about her attacking him before the video.



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Arminillo on 29 October 2015
Chevinator123 said:

Has this been posted yet? Shows the incident from different angles + some footage before.


Thats what I needed. The original video did not show if he gave proper warning or if she was resisting. While I still think the force was a tad much, I now agree his actions werent unwarranted.



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StarOcean on 29 October 2015
SvennoJ said:
StarOcean said:

Finally saw the video. The title of this thread is very click-baity... It's really not brutal assault. The amount of force was unnecessary but it really wasn't as bad as articles are making it out to be

EDIT: Removed "brutally" from title after consulting mods

Why are you applying censorship? It's in the linked article.

The brutal Spring Valley High School video shows what happens when you put cops in schools

Is there a PC agenda on vgchartz as well? Assault was not in the articale btw. The article calls it a brutal arrest.
Or go with CNN

violent classroom arrest

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/south-carolina-school-arrest-video/

Anyway thanks to social media this behaviour is getting some rightful attention.

It's click-baity either way. Just because the linked article is click-baity doesn't mean we should be fine with sensationist journalism titles here as well



rolltide101x on 29 October 2015
Areym said:
Ali_16x said:
Just wondering for everyone that is saying he went overboard, how would you have dealt with the situation if the girl did not get out of the room?

Drag the damn desk to the outside of the room and deal with the situation there, get the parents involved. ANYTHING but violence against her. Are we this babaric that we have to resort to physical violence on some punk kid misbehaving? Give me a break.

Have a feeling we will be seeing your kids in a similar situation if you call that "barbaric"



Machiavellian on 29 October 2015
Lawlight said:
forest-spirit said:

Looks like the officer got fired. Can't say I'm surprised...

Seriously, what in the world was he thinking? >_>

My guess is that it's because she's black and he's white and he was fired to appease the leftists.

Or maybe just maybe, you do not want a police officer using force like that on a non-violent situation.  Why the hell would you arrest someone for disturbing a class by pulling out their phone then putting it away and acting stubborn.  Why would any of you even support that type of violence against a student in your schools.  If the girl was white, do you believe he would have kept his job.  Not sure what america you are from but I am sure it would have been much worst.