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Wiibaron on 27 October 2015

First and absolutely most importantly is the FACT that it is not a Police Officer. He is a school security officer. Stop hating on the Cops of America! Unless you are, or will be in the future, a piece of Sh&P that will be dealing with Cops for the rest of your life. Then you can just F off and get over the fact that you are not in charge of anything and never will be...behavior is your ticket to a COP free life!



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Aeolus451 on 27 October 2015
Lawlight said:
Can a mod change the thread title to "student learns a lesson the harsh way"?


QFT.



LivingMetal on 27 October 2015
method114 said:
LivingMetal said:


What if the parents cannot get there before the end of the period or the end of school depending on the time of day?  And what if the student defies the parents?


You keep throwing these "what if" scenarios like it matters. What matters is this cop took it fom 0 to 100 way to quickly. Let's see him try all the other things that have been mentioned here first then we can talk about what he should have done. I don't want cops taking things to a violent level because they  just assume it's the only way to solve things. That's a horrible way to look at things.


Well, you want non-violent solutions, right?  You need to explore the "what ifs" to help ensure that your attempts at solutions result in non-violence and productive results.  And it's not my problem that the "what ifs" I present are legitimate scenarios that pose a threat to your proposed solutions.  And the cop only went where the girl took him.



LivingMetal on 27 October 2015
Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:


Then let every student execise their "right" to stay and/or go wherever they want and how they want to disrupt the fabric of civil society and parenting norms.  That's the pandora's box YOU are opening up.  And I never said violence was the only means that would have difused the situation.  It was the student that proved that the actions taken was at least one  viable solution.  Remember, she originaly resisted and continued to resist more and more.  It was all her.  And if you asked twenty people for non-violent solutions and received twenty different solutions, trying all twenty solutions in this case of reality goes beyond human reasoning and into the realm of insanity.  It will show how much students have control over the education system as they can manipulate rules and regulation to disrupt the flow of order and education in the public education system.  You wouldn't get anything done, thus defeating the purpose of an education system.

So let me ask you this, after looking at this video, hearing what happen before, during and after the results, are you ok with this happening again... 


I was never ok with it from the start.  NEVER.  But that doesn't mean that is wasn't needed.  Let that sit with you for a while.



LivingMetal on 27 October 2015
Aeolus451 said:
method114 said:


You keep throwing these "what if" scenarios like it matters. What matters is this cop took it fom 0 to 100 way to quickly. Let's see him try all the other things that have been mentioned here first then we can talk about what he should have done. I don't want cops taking things to a violent level because they  just assume it's the only way to solve things. That's a horrible way to look at things.


He only dragged her from the desk to the floor so he could handcuff her after she refused to comply to him and the school. She only had to listen to the teacher in the first place, none of it would of happened. She had other chances to listen other school staff and the cop but yet she chose a violent path by refusing to listen.  The school is not her parents.  

Aren't you blowing things a tad bit out of proportion?


How else is he to form some remote semblance of a point?



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Machiavellian on 27 October 2015
LivingMetal said:
Machiavellian said:

So let me ask you this, after looking at this video, hearing what happen before, during and after the results, are you ok with this happening again... 


I was never ok with it from the start.  NEVER.  But that doesn't mean that is wasn't needed.  Let that sit with you for a while.

Can you explain how this was needed.  So, when you read comments from students that were in the class or saw the video and they say how scared they were or frigthen, is this the result you feel is justified within a school environment.  When you watch the video and you look at the kids and they act as numb to the whole situation as if this is normal that is the needed result.  I am just wondering what type of environment you feel is needed within our schools when police officers result to this type of violence for non-violent teens.



Toxy on 27 October 2015
radha said:
Toxy said:


I doubt you were Mr Perfect when you were 15-16 years old. There is a difference between having bad manners, rebelling, respecting authority etc. 

If you disrespect someone's request, that does not give them the right to throw you into an object and then hurl you across the room. This is not proper discipline. It is also a breach of authority, something that you seem to have ignored. You can arrest someone without using unnecessary force. I never said she should not be arrested. The force being used is over the top.

I am sure a simple arrest would have sent the message. You on the other hand seem to support unnecessary violence, which means you clearly have not learned good manners yourself if you think that someone who likely has not broken any laws should be dealt with in such a manner. Especially given that Australia is country that takes pride in giving people "A fair go". Abusing teenagers is not going to fix any societal issues, in fact it will create more issues because it will cause more people to resent authority. 

If you were arrested, would you prefer the officer to still respect you as a human, arrest you without inflicting any harm, telling you your rights and taking you to the station for further questioning. Or would you prefer the officer to abuse you, and through you into the ground in a public place, causing further humiliation. 

I mean, humiliating someone and infringing upon their freedom is a breach of human rights. Generally there are exceptions to this rule, like if you were to murder, steal etc. This student on the otherhand just refused to do as she was told for the most part. That hardly seems like it is necessary to infringe her rights as a human. Does the crime meet the punishment?

 

However you have implied, that using excessive force on a minor will fix society. Screw murder and those other serious crimes, if a teenager is being rebellious, they ought to be handled with no care, right?


The teacher had to call the cops! and then they were there she ignored their request! how come she is a victim? Dude, crazy kids are bringing guns to schools and killing everyone in there, no wonder teacher reached the point where they call the police instead of the parent, and no wander the officer treated her like an adult, with the recent events in US schools and so many kids with guns people are bypassing protocols when it comes to any type of crisis withing the school. I think there were better ways for the officer to handle the situation, but the girl is not an innocent victim, too much has had hapen in US in schools in recent years.


I understand your sentiment, however, this in no wa whatsoever can be compared to a school shooting. For starters, she appears to be unarmed.
Yes she is being stubborn and rebellious. Many teenagers are this way, and always will be if people don't actually support them properly. People tend to dislike authority if some form of authority have abused their trust at some point in their life, this includes their parents. Causing further alienation and humiliation will not fix this.

If she had seemed like such a huge threat as you have implied, there would be more than one police officer on the scene. In no way, did this girl pose as a threat. You can arrest someone without using such unnecessary force. I have seen people get arrested for worse than this and they were handled better than this girl. Sure if she was a nuisance she needed to be removed from the classroom. That being said it could have been done in a much more civil manner.



Toxy on 27 October 2015
LivingMetal said:
MotherBound said:
What surprises me the most is how calm and normal everyone else seems, like this is a daily thing for them 0_0


Maybe the class knows she's being disrupted, and she needs to be removed from the room.


Nope it is the bystander effect.

The bystander effect is when a group of people see something wrong, however, because there are other people around, they wait for someone else to intervene. This can happen when someone is having a heart attack, people look at everyone else waiting for someone else to step in. This has also happened on trains, someone is being attacked/raped in public, everyone just stands and watches assuming that someone will step in. Seriously, look this term up.



Toxy on 27 October 2015
TheBlackNaruto said:
radha said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
 

So because there have been cases where "kids" have done some horrible things that justifies these actions? Am I saying the girl was in the right....not at all....BUT this situation was handled VERY poorly. No way that was called for in any form to get a misbehaving student out of the class room. I have seen fights broken up in high school with less force. So to first put the arm around her neck(chokehold style), then flip her over IN THE DESK then snatch her out of the desk and fling her across the room like a rag doll is unacceptable for an office of the law. This may have been necessary in other instances but not in this one...not at all. 

"No way that was called for in any form to get a misbehaving student out of the class room."

You dont know, the video is not show what happen before. And about the Justification, I know is not justified, but is like this, you know you should not get robbed on the street, but if you know there is a blakcout and if the middle of the night, you know that the context it not appropiate to go outside show off your new cell phone , watch or what ever. After 911, US very paraniod in their airports, and the reason is the context, in the US the context exists, why would you make the teacher call the police and then refuce to comply ? the officer made a bad decision but is not like there was no reaso, not that a reason is not a justification, but is reason.

Actually the story is out there now. It says teh student was chewing gum and was asked to spit the gum out and refused. Then asked to leave the classroom by the teacher and pirnciple and refused. So they then called the officer in. That's it....now again iam in NO WAY or form saying the girl did no wrong BUT the way the situation was handled was wrong...plain and simple.

Again the child was misbehaving but this was not the correct course of action.


Chewing gum is a hell of a drug. ;)



LivingMetal on 27 October 2015
Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:


I was never ok with it from the start.  NEVER.  But that doesn't mean that is wasn't needed.  Let that sit with you for a while.

Can you explain how this was needed.  So, when you read comments from students that were in the class or saw the video and they say how scared they were or frigthen, is this the result you feel is justified within a school environment.  When you watch the video and you look at the kids and they act as numb to the whole situation as if this is normal that is the needed result.  I am just wondering what type of environment you feel is needed within our schools when police officers result to this type of violence for non-violent teens.


I've already explained in numerous posts that the girl resisted, the cop reacted accordingly. And actions such as this is NEVER justified in any environment.  But people bring it upon themselves such as this girl for disrecpecting athority.  And I've already stated that there could have been other solutions, but that didn't happen.  But you choose to ignore that.  Go figure.  Just because i've made very valid points that reflect the reality that we live in, you are trying to paint me as a person who condones an environment that's harmful to society.  You have yet to successfully argue my points so now you are attempting to discredit me by falsehood.  It won't work.