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TheBlackNaruto said:
LivingMetal said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
 

I agree she was iun NO WAY in the right. She was 100% wrong...no argument there. BUT so was this officer in the way the situation was handled. There are a lot of things that COULD have happened that we can go on about all day(not me and you but just saying in general lol). But what DID happen was over kill on the part of the officer and distrupting the classroom and disobedience for the girl. We are all responsible for our own actions and in my eyes both parties were wrong.


Just watch the video again but in slow motion.  Watch how the  cop tried taking her by the arm FIRST, but the student's continual resistance led to a downward spiral. Concentrate on the student's action, and you'll see that she was the one forcing the cop's hand.

I have watched quite a few times from both angles that they have. He indeed grabbed her arm first then put his other arm around her neck choke hold style. She then hit him so he pulled her up but the nack and grabbed her leg and flipped her. He had both her arms while her leg was stuck under the desk and snatched her out then flung her. She didn't "force" him to do all of that. And I was wrong the incident was because she had her cell phone out and refused to give it to the teacher. The students said they were scared adn said she really didn't do anything wrong to deserve that.


And if she had complied when the cop tried escorting her by the arm, the rest would have NOT happened.  Again, HER FAULT.  And what if the cop tried to continue forcing her by the arm?  She would have continued resisting which could have resulted in a strained or broken arm.  Then who do you blame?  "Choke hold style?"  Stop fooling yourself.  If he he had gone any lower with her in the desk, some of you would be cry sexual harrassment because right below her neck were her breasts.  Again, HER FAULT.  And the cop would not have been forced to pick her up out of the desk if she hadn't resisted as it went up with her.  Again, HER FAULT.  And we don't know what the real reason is why she was flipped.  But I will say this: better her getting flipped in the chair than endangering other innocent students while trying to remove the student AND the chair at the same time.  And she still resists so the cop was force to pull her from the desk.  HER FAULT AGAIN.  Stop making excuses.  And no student deserves to be dragged out by the police for having a cell phone out.  But that wasn't the case.  What happened was that she forced out by an escalation her resisting athority.  As so along as students tell you what's deserved and what not you'll comply just like that?  Yeah, I REALLY understand you now.  Sure, you let these kids push you around when they want, how they want, because they don't deserve to be stood up to when you have been disrespected and defied by them.



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out of context as usual with the PC liberal media

have read a lot about this and plenty happened prior. the girl was asked to put her cell phone away repeatedly by the teacher (note the teacher is also black so forget a race issue here). after she refused he asked her to leave the classroom. again she refused. he called the school administration and they asked her to leave the classroom. again, she refused. then the officer went to the room and asked her to leave (this was prior to this clip) and she refused again. FINALLY he goes to her desk to get her to leave and she refuses yet again. are you kidding me!?

 

sure it wasn't that pretty of a way to remove her but it's plain and simple, I don't care if you're black or white, boy or girl, if you're breaking the rules and told to leave in a school then either you do it or deal with the consequences of getting dragged out of the room

 

there is this constant PC thing lately where kids can act like complete brats in school and get no consequences. this girl should absolutely be expelled from that district and the reality is that she deserved getting dragged out of the room. its pretty simple and maybe parents aren't engraining this in their kids minds enough- but DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD IN SCHOOL

 

School is for education, not texting and acting like a hoodlum. again, frankly to me it doesn't matter if this was a girl or a boy, a 15 year old kid or whatever should know better than to disobey school officials and cops who tell them to do something

 

there would be no rough dragging in the first place if she had just done as she was told. its not rocket science and that 15 second video is conveniently short. that's not assault, that's an office getting the jump done removing a girl who likely ended up with not but a tiny bruise



Machiavellian said:
Dante9 said:
The unnecessary use of force aside, can someone please explain to me why it seems to be a pattern among black people to resist the police in any given situation? Are they taught to do this at home as part of their upbringing? What good can ever become of resisting a police officer? We've seen time and again what *bad* can become of it, you'd think people would take some cues already. Don't be stupid.

Not calling you raciest Dante but your comment her is exemplary of a racist comment.  The reason why I say this is that how did you come to a conclusion that black people like to resist police.  Why would it even be an incident isolated to black people.  Is this because the information you receive portray such a situation.  For some reason you received information that make you think only black people or a majority of black people resist the police but I am absolutely positive that this is definitely not the case.

Instead I would ask you if you experience a situation like this where you are not in th least violent but violence is exacted on you from the police, how would that temper your outlook toward the police.  Even though this girl was being an ass, she did not curse at the police, she did not spit, bite, hit or assault the police officer.  The situation was totally nonviolent from the beginning up to the assault.

As was stated about the situation no one made any attempt to find out why this girl was acting like she was.  A lot of times kids do come to school with all sort of adult problems.  Death in the family, pregnant, abuse, anger, hunger, depression, you name it.    Her parents was not called.  A counselor was not called to find out why she was acting this way.  Nothing was done first to diffused a non-violent situation first before violence was done.  I cannot see any parent thinking this was any way shape or form the way to handle this situation for a  nonviolent situation.  

 

As the story is told, she was a new student who was very quiet and did not talk to anyone.  She took out her phone and either was using it or talk and the teacher told her to put it away and she refused.  After that point the teacher asked her to leave the class and she refused.  At this point nothing escalated into violence.  She did not screem, yell or assault anyone in the class or the teacher.  When kids act this way this is when you call either the parents or a counselor.  The counselor is good for coming in and getting the person to leave and talk about whatever is going on with them that cause them to be this way, especially if no violence is being done by the student.


What if the student still refuses?



TheBlackNaruto said:
LivingMetal said:
TheBlackNaruto said:


Knowing the whole story about her chewing gum and being asked to spit it out and refusing to leave the class room. There are quite a few alternatives. Calling her parents or legal gurdian when she refused to comply or having the principle or vice principle call. Go forward with class and suspend the student for the conduct afterwards. Just two things that could have happened. But to have her put in a choke hold, then flipped over, then snatched from teh desk and flung across the class by a grown man.....no there is no justification in this at all.


And there's no justification for her not obeying if it were such a trival matter to begin with.  Because she disobeyed all forms of athority that were involved, it showed that she was the source of the problem.  And check my previous post.  She was in the wrong.  Period.

I agree she was iun NO WAY in the right. She was 100% wrong...no argument there. BUT so was this officer in the way the situation was handled. There are a lot of things that COULD have happened that we can go on about all day(not me and you but just saying in general lol). But what DID happen was over kill on the part of the officer and distrupting the classroom and disobedience for the girl. We are all responsible for our own actions and in my eyes both parties were wrong.


cops remove children breaking rules from classrooms constantly, this is an extremely common thing in poorer school districts

it's unfortunate that it got a bit rough but in the end the girl was not harmed at all and the reality is that the only reason the officer had to drag her around is because she clung onto her desk and deliberately disobeyed and tried to make the whole thing as difficult as possible

this is a bad trend and the reality is that out of control kids should not be allowed in schools at all if they can't manage to do what they're told by adult administration

that's a police offer, not some random janitor or something. there are plenty of cases in which cops abuse their power and assault and hurt people but this is just not one of those cases. he removed an acting up student from a classroom and she had a fit and made it much worse than it should have been



LivingMetal said:
Not knowing the whole story, people cannot think they can get away with anything just because there might be a public outcry. Could the cop have handled it better, maybe. Could all of this have been prevented if the child wasn't misbehaving, YES. Thinks about the source of the problem before you blame the results.

The problem with your statement is that you believe a non-violent situation had to end with what we saw in the video.  There is no maybe that this could have been handled better.  At no point did the officer, teacher or anyone else actually talked with the kid and find out why she was acting the way she was.  Who hasn't experience a situation where either a teacher or adult difussed situations where a fight was about to happen or some violent event just by talking and listening to the students.  Many situation people shutdown when approached in a meacing way compared to "Hey lets talk about whats going on" type of approach.

So if this was your daughter, wife, mom, sister ect.  What if anyone of them was going through, depression, death, rape, assualt, anger, hunger you name or just rebellious because of any one of a hundred situations that a kid could be going through.  Being a stubborn ass whether it was a boy or girl does not allow a cop or anyone else to abuse you like this video.  If the parent, teacher, principal had did something like this what do you think would happen.  Why would you even think this is approiate behavoior for a cop to show such force in school in front of other students.  Why would you think such violence is something you would want your kid to see another kid subjected to like it standard behavior for cops to do this to another non-violent student.  If this is what you expect from the police in your kids school, then I hope you never find yourself in a situation like this where your kid is being an ass but non-violent and is treated like this.

No one is claiming that this kid was not at fault or that discipline wasn't needed in some shape or form but to be slammed and tossed like trashed hell no.  Why would I as a parent want my kids to feel like a cop can just do what the hell he wants in school because you have a bad day.



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FatedReality said:
The cop is a trained professional. There is no reason for the cop to detain the kid with such force over a little disruption in the class. If the student was causing harm or threatening to harm another student, teacher, officer, etc. I can see why such force would be used on the kid, but that wasn't the case...That type of behavior from the cop is way over the top and he should be reprimanded for it.


you understand how schools work right? they're for education and generally have pretty serious rules in terms of what behavior is allowed and not allowed. when someone is disobeying a teacher or making a scene in a classroom legally speaking they can indeed be removed

the only issue in this case is that the removal was a bit rougher than I'm sure was expected or planned. rewatching the video though and it's obvious that the only  reason it was as uncomfortable and rough is because the girl was attempting NO to get removed

 

I don't know what kind of parents she has or whatever, but any kid who is literally physically attempting to not let an officer remove them from a place they have been told to leave is an absolute idiot and deserves an uncomfortable drag out of the classroom

 

there is an utter lack of respect that parents are enabling to kids these days for authority. There are plenty of bad cops out there, but I hardly think this school cop was out of line for attempting to remove a girl from a classroom when asked to do so. she DID grab onto her desk when he touched her and made the whole thing much worse



LivingMetal said:

What if the student still refuses?

Easy, you wait unit the parents get their and then escort her out.  If we are still playing stay in the chair you get multiple officers to hold her down in the chair cuff her and remove her but everything done with the PARENTS there.  As long as the situation stays non-violent there is never a need to use it.  Also demostrating this with all of the kids in the classroom was not neccessary.  



Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:
Not knowing the whole story, people cannot think they can get away with anything just because there might be a public outcry. Could the cop have handled it better, maybe. Could all of this have been prevented if the child wasn't misbehaving, YES. Thinks about the source of the problem before you blame the results.

The problem with your statement is that you believe a non-violent situation had to end with what we saw in the video.  There is no maybe that this could have been handled better.  At no point did the officer, teacher or anyone else actually talked with the kid and find out why she was acting the way she was.  Who hasn't experience a situation where either a teacher or adult difussed situations where a fight was about to happen or some violent event just by talking and listening to the students.  Many situation people shutdown when approached in a meacing way compared to "Hey lets talk about whats going on" type of approach.

So if this was your daughter, wife, mom, sister ect.  What if anyone of them was going through, depression, death, rape, assualt, anger, hunger you name or just rebellious because of any one of a hundred situations that a kid could be going through.  Being a stubborn ass whether it was a boy or girl does not allow a cop or anyone else to abuse you like this video.  If the parent, teacher, principal had did something like this what do you think would happen.  Why would you even think this is approiate behavoior for a cop to show such force in school in front of other students.  Why would you think such violence is something you would want your kid to see another kid subjected to like it standard behavior for cops to do this to another non-violent student.  If this is what you expect from the police in your kids school, then I hope you never find yourself in a situation like this where your kid is being an ass but non-violent and is treated like this.

No one is claiming that this kid was not at fault or that discipline wasn't needed in some shape or form but to be slammed and tossed like trashed hell no.  Why would I as a parent want my kids to feel like a cop can just do what the hell he wants in school because you have a bad day.

oh come on, get real here, there is no doubt that this is the sort of student who is a repeat offender in terms of misbehaving. her teacher apparently was fairly quick into asking for administration help because he knew she was a problem child

it's not about the cop 'doing whatever he wants' its about the simple fact that on a government premesis where there are RULES you need to obide by them. she's not an 8 year old girl, she's a teenager and knew exactly what she was doing

 

any teenage kid making a scene and disobeying administration and officers should be prepared to get dragged out of a classroom, uncomfortably or otherwise

it's not a yes or no question, it's literally the law of the school. sorry but if my kid is disobeying a bunch of different school officials and THEN a police officer the last thing I'm going to feel is bad for them when they get dragged out of a classroom

 

cop did nothing wrong in this case



Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:

What if the student still refuses?

Easy, you wait unit the parents get their and then escort her out.  If we are still playing stay in the chair you get multiple officers to hold her down in the chair cuff her and remove her but everything done with the PARENTS there.  As long as the situation stays non-violent there is never a need to use it.  Also demostrating this with all of the kids in the classroom was not neccessary.  


oh come on, do you have any idea how many students behave like this girl in low income school communities ? there aren't 'multiple officers' available to deal with and work together to remove all of the pain in the ass teenage misbehaving students

the first thing that got violent in that video was the girl by freaking out when the police officer touched her. guess what? I cop can grab you and remove you from a room if you've broken rules

the issue here was the girl, not the cop. and it's absurd how many people seem to be taking a 15 second video as their whole evidence. guess what, the girl disobeyed administrator after administrator before this and also had already been spoken to by the cop



LivingMetal said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
LivingMetal said:
TheBlackNaruto said:


Knowing the whole story about her chewing gum and being asked to spit it out and refusing to leave the class room. There are quite a few alternatives. Calling her parents or legal gurdian when she refused to comply or having the principle or vice principle call. Go forward with class and suspend the student for the conduct afterwards. Just two things that could have happened. But to have her put in a choke hold, then flipped over, then snatched from teh desk and flung across the class by a grown man.....no there is no justification in this at all.


And there's no justification for her not obeying if it were such a trival matter to begin with.  Because she disobeyed all forms of athority that were involved, it showed that she was the source of the problem.  And check my previous post.  She was in the wrong.  Period.

I agree she was iun NO WAY in the right. She was 100% wrong...no argument there. BUT so was this officer in the way the situation was handled. There are a lot of things that COULD have happened that we can go on about all day(not me and you but just saying in general lol). But what DID happen was over kill on the part of the officer and distrupting the classroom and disobedience for the girl. We are all responsible for our own actions and in my eyes both parties were wrong.


Just watch the video again but in slow motion.  Watch how the  cop tried taking her by the arm FIRST, but the student's continual resistance led to a downward spiral. Concentrate on the student's action, and you'll see that she was the one forcing the cop's hand.


oh this for sure, she was gripping her desk or whatever, she didn't give him much of a choice in terms of what happened. he grabs onto her and then she forces the desk to flip over. he reacts and since he's still holding her it appears as if HE flipped the desk, which is not the case

the only reason the cop appears aggressive in this video is because the girl gave him limited options in terms of how to remove/subdue her. sure, she looks calm sitting in her desk but as soon as he touches her she tries her best to stop him from removing her

bear in mind schools have police officers for just this sort of thing; dealing with trouble makers and removing students when necessary