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Octane on 26 October 2015
MegaDrive08 said:
Octane said:

You stopped ageing... lol sure... Don't know if I can take you serious or not. Anyway, I agree to an extent, eating too much meat isn't healthy, but that's the case with a lot of things. About milk, it didn't use to be ''natural'', but humans (with the exception of some African tribes) have developed a resistance against lactose, and it is completely fine to drink, but again, not too much. Meat on the other hand has always been part of the human diet.

Again, did you read my post? Different types of food have different effects on our body, but acidity doesn't matter.

It depends on how the research is conducted. I've seen and read plenty of half-arsed research papers in my life, but the things that's usually worse is the conclusions people draw. The raw data itself is usually interpreted wrongly. A lot of people tend to confuse causation and correlation. I can conduct a research where I follow 5,000 people that consume ''processed'' foods and 5,000 people that are on a ''natural'' diet (or even vegetarians if you want). I'm almost certain that the results will show that group A, the one that consumes relatively more ''processed'' foods are more likely to develop cancer than group B. However that isn't proof that ''processed'' foods cause cancer. There's usually a lot more going on. It's just a correlation, not a causation. If you're very concious about what you eat, you probably don't smoke and you probably work out more as well; thus you're more likely living a healthier life than group A, thus explaining why group A is more prone to develop cancer than group B, not necesarily because they have a more unhealthy diet, but because their entire lifestyle is likely less healthy. But still, you need to find what actually causes the cancer and how it causes cancer.


Yeah sure many more things go into it, such as excercise, genetics, drinking, smoking ect which i dont do either, and my ageing process has slowed dramatically i look over 10 years younger than i am, but think what you want about meat and dairy, humans are not carnivores, until you can eat your meat raw with furr blood and all, your not a real carnivore, our jaws work in a grinding motion not straight up and down like a lion, we sweat through our pores like a  herbivore.

Omnivores. Those exist as well. You cannot predict an organism's diet solely based on their dentition. Pandas are a great example; almost strictly herbivore, but still have the dentition of a herbivore. Most bears feed on a lot of fruit, yet their teeth would suggest otherwise. Blue whales are carnivores as well, their jaws don't work like a lion's. You cannot simply compare humans to lions and draw the conclusion that because we process food differently we are therefore not carnivores. All monkeys are omnivores; great apes are omnivores and so are humans. 

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with ''sweat through pores'', but all non-primate only have eccrine sweat glands on their soles, only primates have eccrine sweat glands all over their body. Apocrine sweat glands are present in all mammals, both herbivores and carnivores, but they aren't nearly as effective as eccrine sweat glands when it comes to regulating body temperature. In short, the distribution of sweat glands on a horse or cow is more similar to that of a dog or cat than to the distribution of sweat glands on humans.



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generic-user-1 on 26 October 2015
pepharytheworm said:
Superquagsire said:
 Also our bodies are made to process natural beef and meat


Not really or we wouldn't need to cook it and it would digest quicker.

we evolved with the use of fire for 1+million years  and you just digest longer  because meat has way more to digest than salat...



FIT_Gamer on 26 October 2015

pokoko said:

 You seriously have no idea what you're talking about and you should probably look this up before you go any further.  Most animals don't give a damn if other animals outside their pack die or even suffer.

And, no, all the animals I mentioned are documented as killing for reasons outside of food or defense.  Cats will play with small animals before killing them.  They'll also kill kittens that do not belong to them--I've seen that happen, by the way, as we've had an entire litter wiped out.  Wolves will hunt down and kill animals when they're not hungry and leave the carcass.  Otters will play and kill with fish even when they're full.  Sea lions will tear the fins off of fish and leave them to die, just for fun.  

Chimps will bully, gang up on, and murder other chimps for no reason we can determine.  They'll play with and kill smaller animals, including other primates.  They will take baby chimps away from their mothers and kill them. 

The gentle dolphin?  They kill other species for fun.

As far as pigs go, my uncle raised hogs.  Some of the boars are big and nasty tempered and will knock you down and maul you.  Wild pigs will attack you and won't hesitate to kill and eat other animals.  

People think all animals stepped right out of Disney movies but that's not true at all.  Most animals are amoral.   

I never said those things don't happen. The scale in which those events happen pale in comparison to our acts towards them. In most cases if an animal kills another animal it's for the reasons listed. Point is the entire animal kingdom combined, is no where near as malicious towards each other as we human beings are to them. Whether directly or indirectly we cause more suffering and oppression for them than they could ever cause for each other. For a species who claims to be intellicually superior to other animals we sure go about showing it in very non-intellicual way.   

Watch this if you the heart or stomach for it. Also recommend Cowspiricay.



MegaDrive08 on 26 October 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
MegaDrive08 said:
Octane said:

You stopped ageing... lol sure... Don't know if I can take you serious or not. Anyway, I agree to an extent, eating too much meat isn't healthy, but that's the case with a lot of things. About milk, it didn't use to be ''natural'', but humans (with the exception of some African tribes) have developed a resistance against lactose, and it is completely fine to drink, but again, not too much. Meat on the other hand has always been part of the human diet.

Again, did you read my post? Different types of food have different effects on our body, but acidity doesn't matter.

It depends on how the research is conducted. I've seen and read plenty of half-arsed research papers in my life, but the things that's usually worse is the conclusions people draw. The raw data itself is usually interpreted wrongly. A lot of people tend to confuse causation and correlation. I can conduct a research where I follow 5,000 people that consume ''processed'' foods and 5,000 people that are on a ''natural'' diet (or even vegetarians if you want). I'm almost certain that the results will show that group A, the one that consumes relatively more ''processed'' foods are more likely to develop cancer than group B. However that isn't proof that ''processed'' foods cause cancer. There's usually a lot more going on. It's just a correlation, not a causation. If you're very concious about what you eat, you probably don't smoke and you probably work out more as well; thus you're more likely living a healthier life than group A, thus explaining why group A is more prone to develop cancer than group B, not necesarily because they have a more unhealthy diet, but because their entire lifestyle is likely less healthy. But still, you need to find what actually causes the cancer and how it causes cancer.


Yeah sure many more things go into it, such as excercise, genetics, drinking, smoking ect which i dont do either, and my ageing process has slowed dramatically i look over 10 years younger than i am, but think what you want about meat and dairy, humans are not carnivores, until you can eat your meat raw with furr blood and all, your not a real carnivore, our jaws work in a grinding motion not straight up and down like a lion, we sweat through our pores like a  herbivore.

Nope. But there's also such thing as an omnivore so...


We only need to eat meat in a survival situation, its still not natural for us to be doing so, especially on the level were at today, we could feed the world twice over for all the farm land used to grow food to feed the animals that are been prepared to go off to slaughter in the meat industry.



 

pokoko on 26 October 2015
FIT_Gamer said:

I never said those things don't happen. The scale in which those events happen pale in comparison to our acts towards them. In most cases if an animal kills another animal it's for the reasons listed. Point is the entire animal kingdom combined, is no where near as malicious towards each other as we human beings are to them. Whether directly or indirectly we cause more suffering and oppression for them than they could ever cause for each other. For a species who claims to be intellicually superior to other animals we sure go about showing it in very non-intellicual way.   

Watch this if you the heart or stomach for it. Also recommend Cowspiricay.

 

I was addressing you pretending (or maybe you really believed it) that human behavior toward other species is unique.  It's not.  It's no different, for the most part.  Only the situation is different.  Animals typically have no qualms about killing or torturing other species.  Like it or not, that's the truth.



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generic-user-1 on 26 October 2015
MegaDrive08 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
MegaDrive08 said:
Octane said:

You stopped ageing... lol sure... Don't know if I can take you serious or not. Anyway, I agree to an extent, eating too much meat isn't healthy, but that's the case with a lot of things. About milk, it didn't use to be ''natural'', but humans (with the exception of some African tribes) have developed a resistance against lactose, and it is completely fine to drink, but again, not too much. Meat on the other hand has always been part of the human diet.

Again, did you read my post? Different types of food have different effects on our body, but acidity doesn't matter.

It depends on how the research is conducted. I've seen and read plenty of half-arsed research papers in my life, but the things that's usually worse is the conclusions people draw. The raw data itself is usually interpreted wrongly. A lot of people tend to confuse causation and correlation. I can conduct a research where I follow 5,000 people that consume ''processed'' foods and 5,000 people that are on a ''natural'' diet (or even vegetarians if you want). I'm almost certain that the results will show that group A, the one that consumes relatively more ''processed'' foods are more likely to develop cancer than group B. However that isn't proof that ''processed'' foods cause cancer. There's usually a lot more going on. It's just a correlation, not a causation. If you're very concious about what you eat, you probably don't smoke and you probably work out more as well; thus you're more likely living a healthier life than group A, thus explaining why group A is more prone to develop cancer than group B, not necesarily because they have a more unhealthy diet, but because their entire lifestyle is likely less healthy. But still, you need to find what actually causes the cancer and how it causes cancer.


Yeah sure many more things go into it, such as excercise, genetics, drinking, smoking ect which i dont do either, and my ageing process has slowed dramatically i look over 10 years younger than i am, but think what you want about meat and dairy, humans are not carnivores, until you can eat your meat raw with furr blood and all, your not a real carnivore, our jaws work in a grinding motion not straight up and down like a lion, we sweat through our pores like a  herbivore.

Nope. But there's also such thing as an omnivore so...


We only need to eat meat in a survival situation, its still not natural for us to be doing so, especially on the level were at today, we could feed the world twice over for all the farm land used to grow food to feed the animals that are been prepared to go off to slaughter in the meat industry.

thats just BS.  we grow food on the best land, the land that wouldnt turn a profit with direct food production is used for animal food

and we would lack fertiliser without millions of animals and their shit.

150g meat a day isnt that much, thats on the lower and of every hunting community.  humans need alot of energie if they run around and do stuff.



pepharytheworm on 26 October 2015

Whether or not we can all agree if in general eating meat is bad or good, I think we can all agree that too much is definitely bad and eating more vegetables is good.

And in the US we eat too much meat and dairy and not enough veggies.



Mr.Playstation on 26 October 2015

Just live your life people. If you want to eat bacon just do it. If you want to become a vegan just do it. Everything gives you cancer in this world, didn't you know. The sun gives you cancer, flowers give you cancer, mobiles give you cancer even cats/dogs give you cancer.



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AlfredoTurkey on 26 October 2015

The key word is processed. Eating organic, farm raised meat is just fine.



FIT_Gamer on 26 October 2015
pokoko said:

I was addressing you pretending (or maybe you really believed it) that human behavior toward other species is unique.  It's not.  It's no different, for the most part.  Only the situation is different.  Animals typically have no qualms about killing or torturing other species.  Like it or not, that's the truth.

I never said was unique. In my previous comment you quoted i stated the scale in which other animals kill for sport or pleasure doesn't compare to our acts.  The fact that we are, for the most part, further advanced intellectually than other species, it's sickening to see how we act. Even more sickinening that people actually defend it.