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Player2 said:
JRPGfan said:
Bish please... I drink coffee all day, eat lots of greens, a small glass of red wine with dinner, dont smoke....

I ain giving up my bacon!

Coffee ir a 2B carcinogen.

"This category is used for agents, mixtures and exposure circumstances for which there is limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans"

 

Pretty sure Ive read alot of "coffee = good, less risk of cancer".

 

Like this:

http://coffeeandhealth.org/topic-overview/coffee-consumption-and-cancers-of-the-digestive-tract/

upper aero-digestive tract:  "observational studies, published between 1989 and 2009, reported a 36% reduced risk for cancers of the oral cavity/pharynx (relative risk 0.64) between highest (3-5 and more cups per day)"

cancer of the oesophagus:   "A recent, large meta-analysis found that coffee consumption was inversely associated with oesophageal cancer (relative risk 0.55)7" 

Coffee and stomach cancer:   "found no association between coffee consumption and the development of stomach cancer"

Coffee and liver cancer:    "This risk reduction reached a mean value of 30% in coffee drinkers versus non coffee drinkers, with up to 55% lower risk in heavy coffee consumers (relative risk 0.45)."

Coffee and cancer of the pancreas:  "Another meta-analysis of 14 cohort studies, covering Europe, the United States and Japan and including 671,080 individuals (1,496 cancer events) followed up for over 14 years, also identified an inverse association between coffee drinking and risk of pancreatic cancer in men. Regular coffee drinkers had an 18% lower risk of cancer than non-drinkers; low to moderate coffee drinkers had a 14% lower risk; and high coffee drinkers had a 32% lower risk17."

Coffee and colorectal cancer:

"Recently, a fourth meta-analysis including 15 cohort studies looking at coffee consumption and colorectal cancer found an inverse association between coffee intake and the risk of colorectal cancer7."

 

I could go on (it helps on alot other types of cancers as well), but you get the point.

These are FACTs, with study cases that prove it.

 

 

 



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Wright said:
Player2 said:

Like Enrique San Francisco?

 

Explains why I haven't seen him in a long time.

He's probably tired of people talking about politics on his bar. That's why he stays home at day



JRPGfan said:
Player2 said:
JRPGfan said:
Bish please... I drink coffee all day, eat lots of greens, a small glass of red wine with dinner, dont smoke....

I ain giving up my bacon!

Coffee ir a 2B carcinogen.

*Long list*

 

*facepalm*

Coffe is a mixture, not a chemical agent. It's in the mixture section, between chlorinated paraffins and diesel fuel.



Cancerous or not, processed meats are always less healthy than unprocessed.. but eating them from time to time is still okay..



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Player2 said:
JRPGfan said:
Player2 said:
JRPGfan said:
Bish please... I drink coffee all day, eat lots of greens, a small glass of red wine with dinner, dont smoke....

I ain giving up my bacon!

Coffee ir a 2B carcinogen.

*Long list*

 

*facepalm*

Coffe is a mixture, not a chemical agent. It's in the mixture section, between chlorinated paraffins and diesel fuel.

 

Still.... hundreds of case studys that show the oppersite of whatever this wiki page claims.

Yeah Im calling BS on it.



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JRPGfan said:
Player2 said:
 

*facepalm*

Coffe is a mixture, not a chemical agent. It's in the mixture section, between chlorinated paraffins and diesel fuel.

 

Still.... hundreds of case studys that show the oppersite of whatever this wiki page claims.

Yeah Im calling BS on it.

Even the article in the OP points that it is one too.

(...) drink wine or coffee (Class I and Class 2B), or eat grilled food (Class 2A) (...)



So why aren't more people dead by cancer?



There's a big difference between red meats and overall processed meats. You can't lump them together and still sound reasonable. One of those things is something we've been eating since there were humans, and the other is something stirred up in a vat in a plant and mixed with countless chemicals.



Before everyone starts posting studies they found online and label them as "Facts", I advise you to watch these videos to know how messy these studies, you are quoting, are.

 

More on the subject of research and selective publishing and how it is misleading doctors before their patients:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bengoldacre/deworming-trials

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/apr/10/tamiflu-saga-drug-trials-big-pharma

 

Please, don't believe everything you read. Even when it says "studies", "researchers" etc.



They also cause unneeded suffering, but no body cares about that. Pleasure > health and well being of other beings is the human way.