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A game needs to have a fully covered up woman to be a five star feminism game. Stick a hijab on her and it's game of the year.



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SlayerRondo said:

I just watched the whole video and... well I agree with her on so many levels. I don't think she's trying to review the game like other reviewers do though and we shouldn't see her reviews with the same eye we see other reviews like the ones from IGN, Gamespot etc.

If people want reviews that dont focus the majority of the time on gender discussion then they should voice their opinion and if anita wants to discuss gender issues in Assassin's Creed Syndicate she should not simply call it a review.

You may not believe or haven't noticed this but games have for a while catered to some specific gender/people and when things are catered to you you rarely complain about it. But there have been a lot of complain and criticism towards that specific catering really. Since mid 90s people kept saying that games are for boys. Then came the 2000s and companies made studies trying to understand how to make games that would appeal to women. They tried all sorts of things with little success... now that games cater to many more people, expect more kinds of reviews and not only about gameplay.

You can moan all you want about feminist always dissing games but there's a time to look past your ego and realize they are right at some point. 

Feminist are right on many things and wrong on many others, bunching all feminist together like you have is actually quite absurd as they are hardly a united group. Maybe you need to look past your ego and realize they can be wrong at some point.

Don't worry I'm not bunching all feminists together. I know some of them are clearly thoughtfull while some are clueless about life as a whole. Anita is clueless about games just like my sisters are but they can look at a game and notice things that would keep them away from playing and I think it's great to have their views. 

Someone asked why is it so important to people who they are playing as in a game. Well let me tell you one thing. It's all about immersion, why some games offer character creation? Because it allows the player to create a character they want and one they can relate to if they want. Games like Mass Effect or Fallout are great examples. To many it's important, as important as who is the lead actor in movies...

Having character creators in games is great some of the time and others times having a well written character is best. I can honestly enjoy games dis-regardless of the gender of the protagonist. However if women want more female character leads more of them will have to get into game development to make it happen. Not every problem that women have stems from men.

Not every games have to have character creation and yes games can tell the story of one specific character no problem with that. Doesn't mean that the protrayal of other characters has to be stereotyped or sexist. This is what the review is about and why in Anita's review she is glad Ubisoft took care of these things.

Games will be more realistic, but it's like the mindset behind portraying societies hasn't advanced much. I may not like her but she got a point on that review. I hope we see more people noticing these design choices that will lead game developers grow a pair and diversify their characters behavior, representation and design.

Anita Sarkeesian does not want realism in games as evidenced by her complaint about the lack of black people in Victorian London which was actually quite realistic for the time. Also developers bowing down to haters like Anita are the ones that need to grow a pair. Developers are artist, and they should make the games they want to make, and not people like Anita who will find a way to hate on them no matter what. 

I think you are the one that hates Anita so much that you can't see the message here. I don't think she is right on every front. But she can point things that other people won't and then developers can use these critics to go further if they want. 

You know, just because game developers are artists doesn't mean they are immune to criticism and can do whatever they want. Just like in movies you can't just do or say whatever you want. And again, Anita is not hating on Assassin' Creed Syndicate but I get that you didn't watched the video.

 



Locknuts said:

More like a commentary on the characters from a feminist perspective. Considering games are still a relatively weak story telling medium, I couldn't care less about the characters.


Ye it is not, this argument is old and invalid. Telltale Games, Mass Effect, Witcher 3, Life is Strange, The Last of Us and many other games have proven just how strong a medium for telling a story video games are, they imerse you in the story in a way only videogames an, actively making you the main character, putting you in controll. So ye video games are a super strong medium to tell a story, its the devs that oftenly dont know how to use this medium well.



I left the video knowing little to nothing new about the game, calling that a review is laughable.

Gives praise for the use of women, then takes it away saying its an overwhelmingly white game.., a game set in... wait for it... 18th century london.



Tachikoma said:

I left the video knowing little to nothing new about the game, calling that a review is laughable.

Gives praise for the use of women, then takes it away saying its an overwhelmingly white game.., a game set in... wait for it... 18th century london.

Yes, it's quite funny how racists and stupid a lot of these SJWs come out, in addition to often being blatantly misandristic.



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wilco said:


But how so? I've watched her vidoes and I haven't seen any evidence of this. I don't necessarily agree with all her viewpoints but she articulates them well. She is not disrespectful and she doesn't come off as militant or angry.

I must be watching a different Anita Sarkesian because everything I've seen from her is completely harmless. I cannot for the life of me understand what all the hype is about. She even praised the game quite a bit in this review, but everybody is just ignoring that and selectively choosing things to gripe about that aren't even a reflection of what is in the video.


Have to say thats been my expiriance from all I've heard if her. Not that ive bothered keeping track of all the internet fuss. I think the internets full of angry twelve year olds looking to be offended by something and some have chosen to be offended by her and they rant about her at every opertunity. Then they complain that due to all their ranting they've boosted ber profile and then call her a publisity whore. 

Anyway the review was ok. The bulk was about representaions of gender in the game and thats a perfectly fine thing for her to focus on in her review as thats what people will likely be tuning in to her channel to see.

Seems like you're the target audience for her videos.



Tachikoma said:

I left the video knowing little to nothing new about the game, calling that a review is laughable.

Gives praise for the use of women, then takes it away saying its an overwhelmingly white game.., a game set in... wait for it... 18th century london.


Syndicate is set in the 19th century and there were plenty of other ethnicities in 19th century london. I don't personally care because I have zero interest in this game but please get your facts right.



wilco said:
Tachikoma said:

I left the video knowing little to nothing new about the game, calling that a review is laughable.

Gives praise for the use of women, then takes it away saying its an overwhelmingly white game.., a game set in... wait for it... 18th century london.


Syndicate is set in the 19th century and there were plenty of other ethnicities in 19th century london. I don't personally care because I have zero interest in this game but please get your facts right.

Yes indeed, the 1800s, not the 18th century, my bad.

However, as far as ethnicities goes, immigration records show irish as being the largest immigrant group, the first census taken of londoners was carried out in 1841 and found that 4% of londoners (73,000) were from ireland, a further 13,000 from eastern countries such as french, italian, german and spanish.

Chinese, indian and african immigration did occur but in significantly smaller numbers, the number of british born white residents was over 90% and of the remaining number, most of which were from ireland or neighbouring countries, many such immigrants also had/have white skin too.



Tachikoma said:
wilco said:


Syndicate is set in the 19th century and there were plenty of other ethnicities in 19th century london. I don't personally care because I have zero interest in this game but please get your facts right.

Yes indeed, the 1800s, not the 18th century, my bad.

However, as far as ethnicities goes, immigration records show irish as being the largest immigrant group, the first census taken of londoners was carried out in 1841 and found that 4% of londoners (73,000) were from ireland, a further 13,000 from eastern countries such as french, italian, german and spanish.

Chinese, indian and african immigration did occur but in significantly smaller numbers, the number of british born white residents was over 90% and of the remaining number, most of which were from ireland or neighbouring countries, many such immigrants also had/have white skin too.

Having not played the game I can't say whether Sarkeesian is exaggerating the issue. She certainly makes it sound as if ALL the npc's are white. For historical accuracy I would expect at least a small smattering of non-whites, maybe a few pockets of asian communities, but yes, mostly white.

On this point I actually take issue with something Sarkeesian said in the review. Having a trans gender being "normalized" in that time period doesn't make sense. I prefer honest portrayals over idealized ones. I liked the fact that Black Flag didn't shy away from the race issue in that game, that was honest.  I would prefer syndicate to be honest with their portrayal of minorities as well, but that is just me.



wilco said:

Having not played the game I can't say whether Sarkeesian is exaggerating the issue. She certainly makes it sound as if ALL the npc's are white. For historical accuracy I would expect at least a small smattering of non-whites, maybe a few pockets of asian communities, but yes, mostly white.

On this point I actually take issue with something Sarkeesian said in the review. Having a trans gender being "normalized" in that time period doesn't make sense. I prefer honest portrayals over idealized ones. I liked the fact that Black Flag didn't shy away from the race issue in that game, that was honest.  I would prefer syndicate to be honest with their portrayal of minorities as well, but that is just me.

The issue there is that if there were (and may well be) pockets of darker skinned npcs or foreign npcs they would be unlikely to display them in the video for fear of disproving their topic line. My issue with the series is that they have, multiple times in the past, been shown to cherry pick portions of gameplay, strip the events of their context to imply ulterior intents, and in some cases splice in audio and try to pass it off as occuring naturally in game.

"Normalization" of a trans gender npc may well gain favor with her but it's inaccurate to the game, she points out that the story of the game and the notion of fighting against the templars isn't exactly realistic either, but then neither is robin hood but they still go out of their way in robin hood films to portray characters and environments correct to the period.

So i agree that the portayal of trans gendered being normalized isn't accurate, but in the end it essentially boils down to nit-picking.

I feel her videos would hold a lot more weight if the context-trickery and off hand audio splicing didnt happen, and that she focused less on ragging on games and more on improving them, as her twitter feed each time a new game is released, along with her partner johnathan is one of questionable negativity each and every release, often ignoring the reasoning for the things they find issue with, or giving the developers/designers the benefit of the doubt.