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fireburn95 said:

I wouldn't mind that, and have season finale's as 45 mins. They should really look back at season 1 & 2 to see how episodes were paced.

What? Season 2 was AWFUL. The biggest thing in season two was figuring out who's baby was in Ricks wife's belly. It was basically daytime soap opera with some horror thrown in. 

The Walking Dead was great in season one because it was about a few people surviving the end of times. Once they started to slow down to the point where people were fucking, getting pregnant, falling in love and aruging over stupid family issues, it ceased to about surviving and started to resemble something my mother would enjoy. 

I am under the belief now that AMC did this intentionally to raise female viewer ship because when you look around, more women watch it now than men. And really, that should tell you something about the show because the average woman doesn't like zombie movies at all.



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fireburn95 said:
The odd episode is fun to watch but they've killed the show for me with the pacing. When I think of a zombie show, I want some zombie action every episode. But they're focusing on people emotions and blarrgghhh, which would be fine if it wasn't so fudge damned slow

Isn't that literally what the show (and the comics) is about though? A show that demonstrated that we are our own worst enemy?

I would be bored out of my mind if every episode had mindless zombie killings, it wouldn't be deep at all. Character development can be slow but it's necessary if you're ever gonna give a damn about the main cast, not just who can slice zombie heads best.

OT: The premiere episode was cool but a bit slow for my taste. However, JSS was a fucking mind bomb. It was just fantastic, frantic, lunatic human violence which honestly feels more terrifying than the zombies themselves.



"Trick shot? The trick is NOT to get shot." - Lucian

People say the first couple of seasons were so slow but that is what put asses in seats. You want a faced paced zombie thriller (which, sadly is what TWD seems to be, now), then go watch Z Nation of something.

TWD, as stated above, was about a small group trying to survive basically the apocalypse. The zombies were eventually shown in the comics to not even be the real threat. It's people with no rules to follow that are far more dangerous.

When everybody was looking for Sophia, people cared. When they finally found her, people cried. When Dale was trying to keep everyone moral, people cared. Now, is just guns and gore. Good fun, sure. It will get old. Remember when AMC advertised "Story comes first"? What is the story, now?

Go back to the comics.
Glenn and Maggie.
Rick and Carl Poppa (cool people know)
Michonne and Morgan.

And then, when Negan finally appears, there will be a huge payoff. Right now, we have had Woodbury, The Hunters, that hospital, and now, The Wolves. It's too much! And nobody gets time to develop as a character.

I guess I'm becoming one of those " the book is better " people--but when the series consistently misses these amazing moments set up in the comics, it gets frustrating. In this case, the series shines brightest when it is true to the source material.



archer9234 said:
mountaindewslave said:
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Nogamez said:

Is it me or is the new season off too a bad start ( no spoilers here). I loved the previous seasons but yeah so far the first two episodes have been poor to say the least. Seems to me this programme is going downhill esp compared to game of thrones which remains consistently good every episode. Thoughts?


ou kidding right? last season of game of thrones was also lackluster.

 

the last season of Game of Thrones started out lackluster but I think it really pulled together with a lot of interesting plot elements. and at least they're not cheap on Game of Thrones! whether or not people dig certain plot points the show is rich with sets and effects and effort. the same can't be said about The Walking Dead...

also do bear in mind that Game of Thrones loosely follows the book series, the book sections that season 5 was based on are arguably not the most exciting... .. I think they did okay with what they had to work wtih

one important difference I notice between a show like Game of Thrones and a show like Walking Dead is I'm actually really excited and looking forward to the next season of Game of Thrones. there are unanswered questions, seperate story arks to wonder about, characters who we haven't seen for a while that we want to find out is going on with them, etc. etc. etc.

with the Walking Dead for the last few seasons generally speaking there haven't been awesome season endings that left you on the edge of your set looking forward to the next season

like the end of last season (I won't go into specifics so I don't spoil for anyone) I feel as if the finale might as well have just been any random episode. it was tense, sure, but it lacked any real obvious question or motivation to return for the following season

 

the Walking Dead is failing plot wise in my opinion because it has been failing to provide mystery and curiousity for the viewers. the first season was so good because of what we DIDN'T know, with interesting questions regarding the possibility of government still existing (helicopter we see), searches / wondering about a cure, attempts to find lost loved ones, serious questions about finding safe communities to live in

the problem now is that the writers have gotten lazy and completely failed to provide curious mysteries or quests for the main characters to go on and the viewers to care about. I don't know if this is partially the fault of the comic or not, but from what I understand the TV show does not follow the graphic novel all THAT closely

I mean simply going from season to season with the same exact plot line (practically) of 'let's check out this community and see if it's safe or habitable' gets old so incredibly quickly and a lack of budget for cool action scenes just futher hinders the show

The limited budget thing is so stupid. The numbers they pull from live viewing is a godsend for ANY show on any network. They should be blowing more money on stuff like that. It's stupid as hell. Shows like Stargate got barley 2 million on a good day. And is filled with special effects and action up the ass. A show like walking dead gets 6X the viewers.


Only cause the ratings are based on nielson boxes being in supposedly a distirbuted sample. I am yet to meet a stargate (scifi in general) fan who has one lol.

There is a reason why Sponge Bob dominates those charts too, familes get the boxes lol.



 

 

AlfredoTurkey said:
fireburn95 said:

I wouldn't mind that, and have season finale's as 45 mins. They should really look back at season 1 & 2 to see how episodes were paced.

What? Season 2 was AWFUL. The biggest thing in season two was figuring out who's baby was in Ricks wife's belly. It was basically daytime soap opera with some horror thrown in. 

The Walking Dead was great in season one because it was about a few people surviving the end of times. Once they started to slow down to the point where people were fucking, getting pregnant, falling in love and aruging over stupid family issues, it ceased to about surviving and started to resemble something my mother would enjoy. 

I am under the belief now that AMC did this intentionally to raise female viewer ship because when you look around, more women watch it now than men. And really, that should tell you something about the show because the average woman doesn't like zombie movies at all.


But that would just be even more repetative. Fast pace of walk, kill zomibes, someone dies they find new travellers, walk, kill zomibes, someone dies they find new travellers, walk, kill zomibes, someone dies they find new travellers, walk, kill zomibes, someone dies they find new travellers.

Don't forget these are regular people not trained machines that don't get tired. 

You telling me that if you were under daily threat from an enemy you would not wish to catch a break for a few months and feel like a human before the disaster happened? You also forget these people lived in a normal world that went to shit.

Perhaps Walking Dead 2.0 will be set 30 years innto the future were all these babies they keep popping out are now adults who only know how to survive and kill and never knew the good life humanity had before it all went down. 



 

 

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Cobretti2 said:

You telling me that if you were under daily threat from an enemy you would not wish to catch a break for a few months and feel like a human before the disaster happened? You also forget these people lived in a normal world that went to shit.

 


If you or I actually had to face what they faced in season 1, neither of us would FIND the time to fall in love, fuck people or worry about much of anything other than eat, sleep and live. That's the reality of it. You wouldn't hardly be ABLE to sleep, because you'd always have the fear of this horde or zombies attacking you. You wouldn't find places where you could feel secure enough to live a "normal" life. And even if you did, the damage done to your psychological makeup would be such that you'd probably never be able set aside your trauma enough to think about such trivial things.

 

Nothing is more indicitive of this than Glenn and Maggie. In season two, when they fuck, they do so out in the open, inside of a goddamn store with the threat of death ALL AROUND THEM. Then, to make it even more ridiculous, they get all emo and fall in love. There's no way, if this shit happened in the real world, that you would be thinking about anything other than staying alive. Maybe if you were a parent and had to make sure your kid/s were safe. But not in Glenn's case. Not a chance.

 

When George Romero was asked to direct the show, his responce was something like "It's just a soap opera with the occasional zombie". That's exactly why I stopped watching. 



Cobretti2 said:
archer9234 said:
mountaindewslave said:
Cobretti2 said:
Nogamez said:

Is it me or is the new season off too a bad start ( no spoilers here). I loved the previous seasons but yeah so far the first two episodes have been poor to say the least. Seems to me this programme is going downhill esp compared to game of thrones which remains consistently good every episode. Thoughts?


ou kidding right? last season of game of thrones was also lackluster.

 

the last season of Game of Thrones started out lackluster but I think it really pulled together with a lot of interesting plot elements. and at least they're not cheap on Game of Thrones! whether or not people dig certain plot points the show is rich with sets and effects and effort. the same can't be said about The Walking Dead...

also do bear in mind that Game of Thrones loosely follows the book series, the book sections that season 5 was based on are arguably not the most exciting... .. I think they did okay with what they had to work wtih

one important difference I notice between a show like Game of Thrones and a show like Walking Dead is I'm actually really excited and looking forward to the next season of Game of Thrones. there are unanswered questions, seperate story arks to wonder about, characters who we haven't seen for a while that we want to find out is going on with them, etc. etc. etc.

with the Walking Dead for the last few seasons generally speaking there haven't been awesome season endings that left you on the edge of your set looking forward to the next season

like the end of last season (I won't go into specifics so I don't spoil for anyone) I feel as if the finale might as well have just been any random episode. it was tense, sure, but it lacked any real obvious question or motivation to return for the following season

 

the Walking Dead is failing plot wise in my opinion because it has been failing to provide mystery and curiousity for the viewers. the first season was so good because of what we DIDN'T know, with interesting questions regarding the possibility of government still existing (helicopter we see), searches / wondering about a cure, attempts to find lost loved ones, serious questions about finding safe communities to live in

the problem now is that the writers have gotten lazy and completely failed to provide curious mysteries or quests for the main characters to go on and the viewers to care about. I don't know if this is partially the fault of the comic or not, but from what I understand the TV show does not follow the graphic novel all THAT closely

I mean simply going from season to season with the same exact plot line (practically) of 'let's check out this community and see if it's safe or habitable' gets old so incredibly quickly and a lack of budget for cool action scenes just futher hinders the show

The limited budget thing is so stupid. The numbers they pull from live viewing is a godsend for ANY show on any network. They should be blowing more money on stuff like that. It's stupid as hell. Shows like Stargate got barley 2 million on a good day. And is filled with special effects and action up the ass. A show like walking dead gets 6X the viewers.


Only cause the ratings are based on nielson boxes being in supposedly a distirbuted sample. I am yet to meet a stargate (scifi in general) fan who has one lol.

There is a reason why Sponge Bob dominates those charts too, familes get the boxes lol.

illrelavent to my comment. You might as well go blame scifi fans for not pursuing nelson boxes more. I'm talking about numbers. Not bitching Stargate Universe got cancelled.



Areym said:
fireburn95 said:
The odd episode is fun to watch but they've killed the show for me with the pacing. When I think of a zombie show, I want some zombie action every episode. But they're focusing on people emotions and blarrgghhh, which would be fine if it wasn't so fudge damned slow

Isn't that literally what the show (and the comics) is about though? A show that demonstrated that we are our own worst enemy?

I would be bored out of my mind if every episode had mindless zombie killings, it wouldn't be deep at all. Character development can be slow but it's necessary if you're ever gonna give a damn about the main cast, not just who can slice zombie heads best.

OT: The premiere episode was cool but a bit slow for my taste. However, JSS was a fucking mind bomb. It was just fantastic, frantic, lunatic human violence which honestly feels more terrifying than the zombies themselves.


I dont want mindless zombie killing, but character development is stronger through actions rather than talk. This episode yesterday was well paced, literally the worst part of it was when that black guy asked that other guy about his parents and other stuff. A really good episode need not kill anyone but they need to dance with danger a little bit. Epsidoes like today, and season 5 part 2 opener are the extreme guns ablazin episodes, which im fine with. But the 'standard' episodes where they will probably kill off one alexandrian or one unknown needs to be stronger. They also need to stop being so cliched "This guy is going to get us killed" guy gets killed himself and realises Rick wasnt such a bad guy. It's becoming too formulaic that I can somewhat predict who is gonna die.



AlfredoTurkey said:
fireburn95 said:

I wouldn't mind that, and have season finale's as 45 mins. They should really look back at season 1 & 2 to see how episodes were paced.

What? Season 2 was AWFUL. The biggest thing in season two was figuring out who's baby was in Ricks wife's belly. It was basically daytime soap opera with some horror thrown in. 

The Walking Dead was great in season one because it was about a few people surviving the end of times. Once they started to slow down to the point where people were fucking, getting pregnant, falling in love and aruging over stupid family issues, it ceased to about surviving and started to resemble something my mother would enjoy. 

I am under the belief now that AMC did this intentionally to raise female viewer ship because when you look around, more women watch it now than men. And really, that should tell you something about the show because the average woman doesn't like zombie movies at all.


But there was a good deal of action and pacing to it. Rick was going through an epiphany; his wife was being a biatch, shane was on one side tryna make him a survivor, hershel and the other oldy were tryna make him more humane. It was slower than other seasons but paced well imo.



Last night's episode.

I'm excited again! I was considering leaving the show alone but I want to see how they portray Negan. Glad I stuck around. It was great!!