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Do you like censorship in your games/movies?

it's 2015 censorship in ... 45 45.00%
 
I dont like it but... 9 9.00%
 
F U Censorship! 29 29.00%
 
I only watch censored ;) 9 9.00%
 
Japanese porn. 8 8.00%
 
Total:100

Lol. Censorship goes much further than gaming my friend.



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Seems to me like the western localization teams are stepping in to make the games target more mature audiences if anything. Vulgar dialogue and clothing reek of immaturity.



Snoorlax said:

When Xenoblade Chronicles got localized for Europe to my knowledge the game was left uncensored in terms of dialogue and in game content. After the game proved to be succesfull it was ported over to the Americas and was left uncensored.

Both NoE and NoA had censored some dialogues in Fire Emblem Awakening but when the bikini DLC came along NoA just couldnt resist and decided that the image of Tharja in a bikini must be censored.

Bravely Default has been censored as well by making the skimpy costumes to be "less revealing" the argument for this one was that the game was rates for teens and the main characters were underage. I can understand this but wasnt Xenoblade rated for teens and had teenage protaganists as well?

Things get even more stupid with the recent Fatal Frame 5. Lingerie costumes? Can't let you see that, Star Fox! A game which is rated Mature gets censored... Argue all you want but this is just getting out of control. NoA/E are basically deciding for you what you are allowed to see and what not.

And finally religious references, skimpy outfits and what not is all getting "slightly" censored in Xenoblade Chronicles X.


This is not censorship, that's a product of localization - replacing content that most of the Western audience will find cheap and tacky in order to improve the game for the market. It's the same reason why they pull out Japanese text and replace it with English, German, French, or Italian text.

Censorship is when regulations on certain media, such as daytime TV when channels are forced the distributed to beep through profane language on rap songs, or when they blur out nudity or scenes that can be considered sexual. Or when governments cut access to certain news media because it could be seen as dangerous to their regime. It is not when a localization team decides to change art to make it more marketable for a specific market.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Meh, the examples provided in the original post aren't really massive examples and in some cases they are barely worth mentioning.

I get why they don't want certain looks attached to the company, so long as they never censor a Bayonetta game (of which I am praying there will be more) needlessly of its cheeky nature, I will live.



MTZehvor said:
...they're making decisions which they believe will be most acceptable due to societal norms in the countries where the game's being sold. If the thought of not having porn in your video games is truly that horrifying, then email Nintendo and let them know what you want.

Gee, i wonder why then games like GTA, Watch_Dogs, Saints Row and God of War keep throwing stripclubs, titties and porn in our face and get away with it by selling millions of units uncensored over here in the West. These are all western games and what do they in common with a game like Fatal Frame V? They're all rated mature.

There is nothing out of the norm or "too Japanese" about a girl in a bikini in a videogame especially not if it's for mature audiences, western games have nude women and sex everywhere and if you ask me this has become the norm for mature rated titles now a days.



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binary solo said:

You are getting totally the wrong end of the stick. Nintendo is doing this to themselves it's not being forced on them by anyone. Nintendo is free to ruin it's own work and while you are free to call Nintendo a bunch of dicks for doing it, Nintendo is merely exercising its rights do change and modify it's games as it sees fit.

This is not the kind of censorship you should be getting all hot and bothered about. Try focussing on the actually socially damaging forms of censorship like that which is imposed by an overbearing government, such as Australia. Or countries that block access to political or activist websites, or the banning of books, or the oppression of the media. Nintendo nerfing their own games is a non-issue.

Although, it is an issue if these decisions end up hurting the sales of the games and/or having a negative impact on hardware sales. Though at this point, it's hard to think Wii U hardware sales could get worse from these sorts of decisions. At worst the games won't increase hardware sales, but I doubt if these games were released in their original form they would do much for hardware sales anyway.If Nintendo wants their next console to have a much broader base of gamer support then they need to release these games without nerfing content. These decisions merely play into the perception that they are positining themselves as kid / family friendly in the west and therefore don't adequately cater to the interest of the generality of gamers. Whether that is right or wrong, these game nerfing actions just feed into that perception.

Sorry, but this is not a political issue, this is a culture within Nintendo issue. The games that i've mentioned aren't works of Nintendo they're either games made by second party studios like Fire Emblem, Xenoblade or made by third party like Bravely Default most of which have a different game philosophy than Nintendo. Nintendo just published these games in the West and change what they believe is needed essentially changing somebody elses artistic work even if Nintendo has the rights, the game is not directly made by them and theyre supressing artistic freedom. 

All these "slight changes" show that NoA still hasn't learned from the "No-Blood in Mortal Kombat" controversy, they think that their audience can't handle some suggestive content in a T or M rated game. Nintendo needs to understand that the whole gaming industry has changed and above all their hardcore fans have grown up. Nowadays it's normal for games to have blood or some nudity, i'm not saying Nintendo should embrace these things in their Mario or Zelda game but if the game in question was originally intended to be that way why change it's identity?

If anything Nintendo is only hurting themselves by reinforcing the idea that they're still that kids company and they're doing this in the worst possible situation when the WiiU has weak sales and famous Youtubers are only bad mouthing Nintendo for their absurd bussiness decisions.



StarOcean said:
It's one of the many things Nintendo has to change in order for me to respect them as a company again they have to stop treating their market like children. Also NoA needs MAJOR fixing, it's god awful


My thoughts exactly.



dharh said:

I hate censorship. I want the full experience of what the developers intended, of what the culture where the game came from. Screw the prudes that have decided to censor stuff that is not even banned.

If we were talking about material that would be a crime I understand, otherwise why the hell the censorship?  People should be able to decide for themselves or the parents should be able decide.


IMO it's capitalism getting in the way of 'art' and yes I use the quotes but it still fits. In the pursuit of higher sales to the unwashed masses I must suffer an incomplete game which in the end cases me _not_ to buy it.


Agree!



It's stupid but a business decision after all.

Censoring sexual stuff might give the game a lower rating in the US and thus a broader audience to sell it to and censoring violence in Germany allows them to advertise the game and display them in stores.

But no one really forces them to censor anything.



Well, cultural differences is a thing. Different countries have different views on what's acceptable and what's not.
Just look at poor Germany, everything gets censored there :c

My opinion is, don't censor, simply label accordingly and be open with the "dangerous" stuff.