Honestly, I don't see how they're so separate. Learning to interact and network with others is a vital skill in 99% of professions. I do think you're contradicting yourself a bit. How is interacting and working with others who you deem annoying not beneficial to you. I promise you'll run into lazy people outside of college, this time, the stakes will be higher on your ability to pull through. 
Everyone educates themselves differently. Experiences in life educates, school is only one part of it. It's not about what or how you should do it, in the end everyone finds their own path. People have different qualities and for some people it means they just aren't social. Nothing wrong with that. There is work for anti-social people too and it's not some bizarre shit, normal work. People are always telling what someone should do, do this or that, it's the root of the so called "mold". Live or die.
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Socialization in school is a major part of growing up. It doesn't matter how smart you are, if you're too socially inept to pass an interview, you won't get a job.
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fatslob-:O said:
No but it's the most likely the best bet to getting a job for the majority of people out there when all other things are equal ... 95% of the time, the managers and the HR team will say that your credentials are more important than the network you've bulit up so a social life is hardly an investment for getting jobs ... You DON'T want friends from college if you want to get a job but you do however WANT friends from a potential workplace if you want to get a job ... |
You do realise that friends from college become friends from potential workplaces? Most grads/interns get jobs because they are recommened by their past friends from college. In fact I will go a step further and say NO ONE in the organisations I have workd as got into a company without someone recommending them. All without connections got dismissed early.
ONly other way to get a job is to litrally get your family connections (assuming they have any and been working for many years and are respected) to give you one.
| ctk495 said: Hey everyone, I am halfway through college now and both my high school and college experience, I enjoy learning: reading textbooks, working out homework and doing research. However, if I were to give myself a grade in terms of socializing I would give myself an F. I dread the fact that going to school involves having long-term relationships with people who are part of social circles.I tend to be very blunt with people and let them know that I don't accept any form of disrespect. However, this has cause me to develop a reputation in my school. Any way, most people would transfer, however, its too late for me since I am doing really well academically and I am too deep into my major. What really bothers me is that: Am I here to learn or to interact with these people? Also, I don't want to be their friend, since that would put me at the bottom of their hierarchical structures plus they aren't adding anything to my life. I feel happier watching movies or playing games that trying to please people who for the most part are boring. |
What do you think business is? You will interact on a daily basis with people you do not like, people who have annoying quirks, who are complete pricks, and who are incompetent.
Not a team player? You won't get many job offers.
| Cobretti2 said: You do realise that friends from college become friends from potential workplaces? Most grads/interns get jobs because they are recommened by their past friends from college. In fact I will go a step further and say NO ONE in the organisations I have workd as got into a company without someone recommending them. All without connections got dismissed early. ONly other way to get a job is to litrally get your family connections (assuming they have any and been working for many years and are respected) to give you one. |
Yes, I do but it is not frequently the case ...
What you have is an anecdote, not data. Even in the most extreme industries where personal connections matter the most the majority of new hires do not have them ...
Not having the required qualifications on the other hand just means that you will be disqualified automatically for the most part ...
Interesting way of life. You can be a man of few words and still go to college you know. Your classmates owe you nothing, and you owe them nothing. You won't be popular but it doesn't sound like you want to be.
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fatslob-:O said:
Yes, I do but it is not frequently the case ... What you have is an anecdote, not data. Even in the most extreme industries where personal connections matter the most the majority of new hires do not have them ... Not having the required qualifications on the other hand just means that you will be disqualified automatically for the most part ... |
I looked that graph up the key being
"LinkedIn analysed its member data to see how many new hires were already connected to someone at the company prior to joining, for each industry. When you have a “first degree” connection at a company, you have a better chance at getting in and may be referred to the job by that insider. These are the industries where LinkedIn members hired most from their employee networks:"
http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/03/the-industries-where-networking-matters-more-for-getting-a-job/
Is it really surprising that the top linkedin users are IT savy jobs or jobs where you need to have an online presence? Most industries have such a low take up of linkedin users because they do not require that online exposure that the data is essentially meaningless.
Yes qualifications play a part in getting a job, but for most industries if you are anti-social and get straight As vs someone who is social has network connections and gets B/Cs they will be picked over the straight As candidate.
The only industies I seen that really care about marks is probably law and financial sectors like being an actuary or stock trader.
| Cobretti2 said:
"LinkedIn analysed its member data to see how many new hires were already connected to someone at the company prior to joining, for each industry. When you have a “first degree” connection at a company, you have a better chance at getting in and may be referred to the job by that insider. These are the industries where LinkedIn members hired most from their employee networks:" http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/03/the-industries-where-networking-matters-more-for-getting-a-job/
Is it really surprising that the top linkedin users are IT savy jobs or jobs where you need to have an online presence? Most industries have such a low take up of linkedin users because they do not require that online exposure that the data is essentially meaningless.
Yes qualifications play a part in getting a job, but for most industries if you are anti-social and get straight As vs someone who is social has network connections and gets B/Cs they will be picked over the straight As candidate. The only industies I seen that really care about marks is probably law and financial sectors like being an actuary or stock trader. |
Linkedin is more than some polytechnic employee advertisement place as it has over 300 million users registered so the data is very much valid for other industries ...
Again even at the extreme, the majority of the new hires are employees without connections ...
For unskilled industries yes grades do not matter much but neither do your connections in that case however if you have a C average it will be very painful to get your first job when big companies will practically filter those applicants so getting straight As does matter a whole lot ...
Once again qualifications > connections ...
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