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AlfredoTurkey on 14 October 2015
LuckyTrouble said:

 On a more serious note, you are blatantly stealing somebody's writing and depriving their website of traffic when you do this.

 


As long as you're not selling it, it's not stealing.



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t3mporary_126 on 14 October 2015

It's pretty bad if the article is fairly long and if there is no link to it.

But what annoys me the most is when people share news and don't even bother to provide links or even images from the source. Especially if it's about sales.



generic-user-1 on 14 October 2015
AlfredoTurkey said:
LuckyTrouble said:

 On a more serious note, you are blatantly stealing somebody's writing and depriving their website of traffic when you do this.

 


As long as you're not selling it, it's not stealing.

what use does journalism have if you cant use it to start a debate over a topic?



think-man on 14 October 2015

But i want free points!



 

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Lawlight on 14 October 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
pokoko said:
Ka-pi96 said:
pokoko said:
I agree. Copying the full article is unethical and disrespectful. It's also illegal--people HAVE been sued for it.

Pretty sure it would be covered by fair use so is completely legal and anybody suing somebody for it is just wasting money on legal fees for a case they aren't going to win.

It's not fair use.  If you write an article, it belongs to you (or the publisher).  It cannot legally be published elsewhere without permission.

Righthaven initially entered agreements concerning old news articles from Stephens Media, publisher of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, based on a business model of suing bloggers, other Internet authors, and Internet site operators for statutory damages for having reproduced the articles on their sites without permission.[9] An affiliate of Stephens Media owns half of Righthaven.[10] As of 24 March 2011, 255 cases have been filed.[11][12] Typically, Righthaven has demanded $75,000 and surrender of the domain name from each alleged infringer, but accepted out of court settlements of several thousand dollars per defendant.[13] As of December 2010 approximately 70 cases had settled.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righthaven

Righthaven died, which made everyone happy, but that was because of a different issue.  It was ruled that only the publishers themselves had the right to sue.

Fair use covers news reporting and allows as much use as needed to get the point accross, obviously less is preferred but still.

The case you put there is not an example of what we are talking about. That quite clearly says people put those articles on THEIR sites, as in they owned the site and were reproducing that content with the intent of making money from views of it. That would be like VGC posting actual articles that are just copy/pastes of somebody elses articles. We aren't talking about that though, we are talking about random people posting articles on forums with no intent to gain money, they are solely doing it for the purpose of news reporting so yeah, it's fair use.


So, we're ok to post full articles?



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pokoko on 14 October 2015
Ka-pi96 said:

Fair use covers news reporting and allows as much use as needed to get the point accross, obviously less is preferred but still.

The case you put there is not an example of what we are talking about. That quite clearly says people put those articles on THEIR sites, as in they owned the site and were reproducing that content with the intent of making money from views of it. That would be like VGC posting actual articles that are just copy/pastes of somebody elses articles. We aren't talking about that though, we are talking about random people posting articles on forums with no intent to gain money, they are solely doing it for the purpose of news reporting so yeah, it's fair use.

"Fair Use for Forums (and How to Explain to Your Members That They Can’t Quote Entire Articles)

It’s important to be proactive on matters of content theft and copyright infringement. A large part of this is text quoted from other sources. With some exceptions (public domain works, works by the Federal Government, works released under alternative licenses to copyright, and more), you can’t allow your members to post entire text articles that they did not author or hold no rights to, source or no source."   http://www.managingcommunities.com/2010/02/07/fair-use-for-forums-and-how-to-explain-to-your-members-that-they-cant-quote-entire-articles/

10 Big Myths about copyright explained

"Fair use is generally a short excerpt and almost always attributed. (One should not use much more of the work than is needed to make the commentary.)"

"Copyright is still violated whether you charged money or not, only damages are affected by that."

 http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html#dmca

What Every Writer Ought to Know about Fair Use and Copyright

"In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:

  1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
  2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
  3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
  4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.”

Pretty much everything I've read indicates that Fair Use almost always refers to excerpts.  


DonFerrari on 14 October 2015

Funny to see people that entered the site after the sales threads died because of lack of numbers discussing that it isn't important to users.

And yes the rules shall be followed, but on that principle the numbers should be posted, so no point in preaching.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 14 October 2015

Another fine thing is complaing about the copy and paste involving ethics when the reporters aren't ethical at all... Gamergate showed it, clicksbait and twisted reporting show it, choosing news by agenda show it... but yes, the problem is not giving clickbait articles clicks.. I preffer when the important points of the news are given so I don't have to give clicks to sites with bad pratices.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

mornelithe on 14 October 2015
DonFerrari said:
Another fine thing is complaing about the copy and paste involving ethics when the reporters aren't ethical at all... Gamergate showed it, clicksbait and twisted reporting show it, choosing news by agenda show it... but yes, the problem is not giving clickbait articles clicks.. I preffer when the important points of the news are given so I don't have to give clicks to sites with bad pratices.

Yeah, I love how it's apparently illegal to copy/paste whole articles, but you can most certainly archive an entire article just to fuck the site out of ad revenue and share it on twitter.  Makes perfect sense, really.



DonFerrari on 14 October 2015
mornelithe said:
DonFerrari said:
Another fine thing is complaing about the copy and paste involving ethics when the reporters aren't ethical at all... Gamergate showed it, clicksbait and twisted reporting show it, choosing news by agenda show it... but yes, the problem is not giving clickbait articles clicks.. I preffer when the important points of the news are given so I don't have to give clicks to sites with bad pratices.

Yeah, I love how it's apparently illegal to copy/paste whole articles, but you can most certainly archive an entire article just to fuck the site out of ad revenue and share it on twitter.  Makes perfect sense, really.


moral and ethical boundaries are as elastic as people need to fit what they want to convey.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."