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KingdomHeartsFan said:
Justagamer said:
Whatever they're making, I hope it's for the nx, and, whatever they're making, I sure as hell hope it isn't Diddy Kong racing.... if it is, I will be super pissed. Fuck Diddy Kong racing, make something good. We already have mariokart.

That doesn't make any sense.  We already have a kart racer so if they make another one it won't be good lol.

You make no sense, my point is, why make another kart style racer? Make something else, you've got that genre covered. Spelled out clearly enough for you? Or do you want a dozen kart racers, if so, great for you, I would like something.... oh, I don't know..... different? Even if Diddy Kong kart is great... I don't care, don't want it. Even if you do. Clear?



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Miyamotoo said:

Diddy Kong Racing certainly would sell much much better than those and similar games, games like you mentioned doesn't sell very well on Nintendo platforms and thats fact, but Kart game with Nintendo characters are always one of the best selling game on any Nintendo platform.


Games like that don't sell very well on Nintendo consoles solely because they aren't exclusive, so there's always a better version on another console where there is a larger library of games that will appeal to someone who bought that game. It's not because of some impossible viability of those types of games on Nintendo platforms. A good, high budget game like that would empty stock everywhere. DKR would just sell its own software. The game I describe would sell its own software, third party software, and hardware to a completely different and prevalent audience of gamer Nintendo doesn't currently provide content for.



Soundwave said:

I don't think Nintendo can compete with Sony/MS. Even if they have "one" game like this, those other platforms get that type of game every month (literally) and sometimes several times a month. 

It's just not in Nintendo's wheelhouse and their previous attempts at "diversity" have largely failed because of this ... Bayonetta on Wii U, Resident Evil on GameCube, the Metroid Prime series in general (sold OK, but nowhere close to the big Sony/MS IPs like Halo or Uncharted). People don't buy a system just because a platform has one game in the style they like, for Sony/MS 95% of their marketing, 1st/2nd party releases, etc. is for people who like games like Uncharted, Halo, COD, Destiny, etc. 

For Nintendo it's the inverse basically, go to Nintendo.com right now and look at their game roster, it looks like something from a elementary school storybook (not saying that those games aren't fun or can't be enjoyed/apperciated by adults). It's just very, very different with the occassional Xenoblade throw in once in a blue moon for "diversity" sake. 

It would be like Sony saying they want to make a new Pokemon. They just don't have the demographics for that type of franchise. 

Maybe they would be smart to try and change it, but I doubt it. If anything Nintendo is more sugary-sweet and cartoon mascot oriented today than they were even in the 1990s. 

And you know what? Maybe that's ok. If Sony/MS are going to focus 95% of their energy on violent action/adventure games mixed in with some sports sims and nothing but, maybe Nintendo's role is to act as the "family console". It's a shame that that type of device doesn't have a huge market these days, but it's probably Nintendo's place to do it. 


I don't think it takes only one game, either. I think it takes many, but you have to start somewhere, and Retro is the perfect place to do that. I think that it is very obvious to look at the failed attempts and see how they failed. None of those games are remotely as mainstream as Halo or Uncharted are. Not even Resi. Bayonetta and Metroid are straight up niche. What they need is something that is very deliberately targeted at an "older" western audience, but a very mainstream one. And as you said, it absolutely does need to be more than one game, but those other games don't all need to be out by launch/launch period.

You can argue that it's mostly marketing, but I'd argue right back that their marketing is only effective because they have the software to back it up, and that software is only there because of the exclusive software they constantly make to cultivate that audience. If Sony was only making games like Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon, that marketing wouldn't be as effective. I'm not saying that Nintendo should just make one mainstream western game in a bubble, but continue marketing the way they've been for years. I think they need to change their branding entirely and it needs to be inclusive of that demographic, but they can't do that without the software library to back it up. Retro is a very good first step towards achieving that.

That's the issue, and that's what games like this would work towards solving. Again, not by itself, but along with other 3rd exclusive games and partnerships, as well as aquiring more western talent, that image is very easy to change.

Again, Sony doesn't have the demographics for they franchise solely because they've made no significant attempts at cultivating that audience recently. When they were regularly providing Spyro, Crash, Jak & Daxter, Retchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, etc, and getting a bunch of amazing 3rd party games in catagory as a result, it would absolutely have been viable for them to make a successful Pokemon-like game.

I think it would be obviously smart for their brand. Again, it worked wonders for Disney. They make as much family content as they used to with just as much color, charm, and quality, but they also have Marvel and Star Wars, and that's absolutely perfect for their image. Nintendo needs that, and that's what Retro can start. Nintendo doesn't need to stop making Nintendo games. Nintendo needs to expand the definition of what makes a Nintendo game to encompass a much wider demographic than what it currently does.

I think a game of that style by Retro would do that. I think an exclusive partnership with Capcom would absolutely do that and it more likely than people think. I think the aquisition of some western studio with dormant, used to be popular IP, like Square did with Eidos would allow them a very constant library of recognisable IP from which they could market to an entirely different audience. All these things together, along with multiplats, are what would give them the foundation from which to be marketable to that demographic. And I don't think they need to market themselves to 30-something year olds like Sony and MS do, either.

Disney definitely doesn't with Star Wars, Pirates, and Marvel. All PG-13. All marketed to a much wider demographic than just adults and older teens while still being mainstream. They could find themselves a very nice balance by marketing that software in a similar way.



Justagamer said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

That doesn't make any sense.  We already have a kart racer so if they make another one it won't be good lol.

You make no sense, my point is, why make another kart style racer? Make something else, you've got that genre covered. Spelled out clearly enough for you? Or do you want a dozen kart racers, if so, great for you, I would like something.... oh, I don't know..... different? Even if Diddy Kong kart is great... I don't care, don't want it. Even if you do. Clear?

Your not gonna backtrack your way out of this, you didn't say make something else, you said make something good, please tell me how you know it wouldn't be good.



The thing with the Disney analogy is that Disney isn't selling a platform. I can pay my $9 at the movie theater to see Star Wars and never give a crap about any of their other animated films.

If Disney had their own proprietary movie disc format, and I could only get Star Wars or Marvel movies that way, but I had to pay $250 for the player, and the only other movies it ran were Disney animated movies that I have little/no interest in, I probably wouldn't buy the Disney player period.

I can see it from the POV of a consumer that doesn't really care for most of Nintendo's IPs ... why they don't just buy a Nintendo console because it happens to have maybe 1 or 2 titles that are interesting to them.



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Pavolink said:

They must be busy with their Donkey thing games. Not that people is excited anymore about their work, at least not since they moved from Metroid.



I wanted a Donkey Kong Country game and was very excited for it, as many other people was, and it was damn fine game at that!!



 

I really hope they aren't working on Diddy Kong Racing. Monster  is the perfect dev for that game!



                
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KingdomHeartsFan said:
Justagamer said:

You make no sense, my point is, why make another kart style racer? Make something else, you've got that genre covered. Spelled out clearly enough for you? Or do you want a dozen kart racers, if so, great for you, I would like something.... oh, I don't know..... different? Even if Diddy Kong kart is great... I don't care, don't want it. Even if you do. Clear?

Your not gonna backtrack your way out of this, you didn't say make something else, you said make something good, please tell me how you know it wouldn't be good.


You lack reading comprehension skills, go back and read my  original post. Ifyou're not sharp enough to understand when I say, you already have mariokart, well, you can go in any direction you want, and have.  

You already have a kart game, make something else, make something good. Its great you want a bunch of kart games, kart it up! And, being as though that this is a forum of personal opinion, if i say diddy kong sucks, who the hell are you to argue? Especially about a game that doesnt exist.That would be my opinion.

I dont think it would suck, it would be more of the same, but you dont understand that, obviously. Sorry man, no amount of explaining what I said can make it clear to you. So I'll stop trying. How's that for backtracking? Lol



MegaDrive08 said:
Pavolink said:

They must be busy with their Donkey thing games. Not that people is excited anymore about their work, at least not since they moved from Metroid.



I wanted a Donkey Kong Country game and was very excited for it, as many other people was, and it was damn fine game at that!!


"Many"...right.



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