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Who will win Oct NPD

PS4 by 100k+ 136 22.74%
 
PS4 by 50K+ 103 17.22%
 
PS4 by less than 50K 88 14.72%
 
XB1 by 100k+ 65 10.87%
 
XB1 by 50K+ 43 7.19%
 
XB1 By less than 50k 39 6.52%
 
Statistical Tie But PS4 Egdes The Win 36 6.02%
 
Statistical Tie But XB1 Egdes The Win 25 4.18%
 
Wi... lol.. JK See Results 63 10.54%
 
Total:598

When does Halo 5 release? That will help me with my answer.



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How could the Sony product ever be considered evil against a corporation like Microsoft? I suggest ommiting the 'good vs evil' from your title and replacing it with, perhaps colors? Blue vs Green? This is the tale of the underdog turning the tables, not the story of a corporate pig tripping over its shoe lace. Your title is just asking to stir the pot here.

 

OT: If the PS4 had dropped to $300 then I would be certain of a victory this month in North America.  As it stands, I think we will still see them edge out a very minor win unless Microsoft reacts through price deals of its own.



For october difficult to say but for september+october+ november + december ( the only months taht worth to be counted based on Spencer), PS4 for sure



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

Considering the PS4 price cut is happening way sooner than Halo 5's release I think PS4 could take it by 100K+, so I voted for that.

Halo 5 will only be on the market for 4 days out of the month and I think it's only one Halo release that has ever had a big effect on system sales, Halo isn't the huge system seller people think it is.
Usually sales for the game are awesome, but the hardware numbers don't shoot through the roof, because people that want the game already have an XBox, they've bought XBox already because they're pretty devout Xbox people.

PS4 is like PS2 on the sales front and this is the 1st official price cut in that region, it's going to have a massive effect.
The price cut hasn't taken effect yet, but 2 of PS4's bundles are already sitting at 13 (Destiny Limited) and 24 (TLOU model) on Amazon US's Best Sellers Chart, the 1st XB1 console is at 33 and that's the Halo 5 1TB model.
I think any time I've looked at Amazon's charts PS4 has at least a few consoles many places higher than any XB1 hardware.

When that price takes effect I suspect PS4 will be sitting much higher, close to top 4th, if it manages to beat currency cards or even come close to them then you know it's huge.



aLkaLiNE said:

How could the Sony product ever be considered evil against a corporation like Microsoft? I suggest ommiting the 'good vs evil' from your title and replacing it with, perhaps colors? Blue vs Green? This is the tale of the underdog turning the tables, not the story of a corporate pig tripping over its shoe lace. Your title is just asking to stir the pot here.

 

OT: If the PS4 had dropped to $300 then I would be certain of a victory this month in North America.  As it stands, I think we will still see them edge out a very minor win unless Microsoft reacts through price deals of its own.

Tale of the underdog?  Do you know who Sony is? Do you know all of the shitty things they've done?  Implying Sony is not a corporation? 

 

JustBeingReal said:
Considering the PS4 price cut is happening way sooner than Halo 5's release I think PS4 could take it by 100K+, so I voted for that.

Halo 5 will only be on the market for 4 days out of the month and I think it's only one Halo release that has ever had a big effect on system sales, Halo isn't the huge system seller people think it is.
Usually sales for the game are awesome, but the hardware numbers don't shoot through the roof, because people that want the game already have an XBox, they've bought XBox already because they're pretty devout Xbox people.

PS4 is like PS2 on the sales front and this is the 1st official price cut in that region, it's going to have a massive effect.
The price cut hasn't taken effect yet, but 2 of PS4's bundles are already sitting at 13 (Destiny Limited) and 24 (TLOU model) on Amazon US's Best Sellers Chart, the 1st XB1 console is at 33 and that's the Halo 5 1TB model.
I think any time I've looked at Amazon's charts PS4 has at least a few consoles many places higher than any XB1 hardware.

When that price takes effect I suspect PS4 will be sitting much higher, close to top 4th, if it manages to beat currency cards or even come close to them then you know it's huge.

Why do people continue to think something like Halo 5 will not sell hardware?  Why do people honestly think every halo fan on earth already bought an xbox one?



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My gut says don't doubt halo, but the price cut should make it close.



Sharpryno said:
aLkaLiNE said:

How could the Sony product ever be considered evil against a corporation like Microsoft? I suggest ommiting the 'good vs evil' from your title and replacing it with, perhaps colors? Blue vs Green? This is the tale of the underdog turning the tables, not the story of a corporate pig tripping over its shoe lace. Your title is just asking to stir the pot here.

 

OT: If the PS4 had dropped to $300 then I would be certain of a victory this month in North America.  As it stands, I think we will still see them edge out a very minor win unless Microsoft reacts through price deals of its own.

Tale of the underdog?  Do you know who Sony is? Do you know all of the shitty things they've done?  Implying Sony is not a corporation? 

 

 


Less than 6 years ago analysts were pegging Sony at a ~80% chance for Bankruptcy.  They were a shell of their former selves.  The fact that they managed this turn around is literally one of the most compelling comeback strategies we've witnessed this century.  Beyond that, MS has nearly held a globabl monopoly for two decades in the home PC space.  We know that Xbox was created with the primary focus to disrupt the home console space in an effort to stimmy Playstation sales.  We know that they hardly breed creative IP, opting instead to buy their marketshare instead of working for it.  We know that Microsoft, with a cash reserve of >$96 billion is losing to a company that has around $8 billion sitting in the bank.  For all intents and purposes of this discussion and my original post, they are the underdog. They have done basically nothing to thwart Microsoft or eliminate them from any market.  The inverse is not true.

 

I'd also like to know how I implied that Sony wasn't a corporation, or for that matter all the shitty things they've done.  As far as I'm aware they came under fire 15+ years ago for some DRM fiasco.  Other than that, we have the PSN outage which isn't a shitty thing a company can do, but is a shitty thing that can happen to a company - something they ammended as best they could by giving out free games to all affected in addition to the class action lawsuit they are paying for.

Then there was a motion picture hacking which wasn't shitty for anyone other than them, but hey, I got to see the Interview for free because of it.

More recently we have the waterproof thing with their phones - which is a problem occuring on the user end due to mistreatment. Despite that they've replaced all affected phones and have changed marketing, despite the fact that the phones are waterproof out of the box.



aLkaLiNE said:
Sharpryno said:

Tale of the underdog?  Do you know who Sony is? Do you know all of the shitty things they've done?  Implying Sony is not a corporation? 

 

 


Less than 6 years ago analysts were pegging Sony at a ~80% chance for Bankruptcy.  They were a shell of their former selves.  The fact that they managed this turn around is literally one of the most compelling comeback strategies we've witnessed this century.  Beyond that, MS has nearly held a globabl monopoly for two decades in the home PC space.  We know that Xbox was created with the primary focus to disrupt the home console space in an effort to stimmy Playstation sales.  We know that they hardly breed creative IP, opting instead to buy their marketshare instead of working for it.  We know that Microsoft, with a cash reserve of >$96 billion is losing to a company that has around $8 billion sitting in the bank.  For all intents and purposes of this discussion and my original post, they are the underdog. They have done basically nothing to thwart Microsoft or eliminate them from any market.  The inverse is not true.

 

I'd also like to know how I implied that Sony wasn't a corporation, or for that matter all the shitty things they've done.  As far as I'm aware they came under fire 15+ years ago for some DRM fiasco.  Other than that, we have the PSN outage which isn't a shitty thing a company can do, but is a shitty thing that can happen to a company - something they ammended as best they could by giving out free games to all affected in addition to the class action lawsuit they are paying for.

Then there was a motion picture hacking which wasn't shitty for anyone other than them, but hey, I got to see the Interview for free because of it.

More recently we have the waterproof thing with their phones - which is a problem occuring on the user end due to mistreatment. Despite that they've replaced all affected phones and have changed marketing, despite the fact that the phones are waterproof out of the box.

Hum... You realize that both are trying to exactly do that :)

How can you seriously believe Sony would not kick Microsoft out of the gaming market if they could? Same goes from Microsoft. Both of them are here to win and sometime Sony wins, sometime Microsoft does. But both are big corporations (none are evil tho, only idiotic fanboys see it that way), both are businesses that cares about one thing : money and profits :) And if they can kill a competitor in the process, they will...

And Sony would buy market share if they could (they did actually lately exactly what Microsoft did with the 360...)...
Also bashing Microsoft's IP is just your own oppinion, as I can genuely say the same from Sony's IP... (will not even start to say my oppion on that because it will derail the thread). So no, "we do not know" they breed hardly creating IP. This is LARGELY tainted by Sony or Microsoft supporters. For Sony supporters, Microsoft's IP are bad... For Microsoft's supporters > Sony's IPs are bad and quite boring... If you look at each AAA IPs from each side and how much they sell each, it is kind of equivalent. I will even argue that MS is coming out with more interresting new IPs (to me) right now with the Xbox One but again, matter of oppinion and preferences.

Only thing is that neither Microsoft or Sony can kick the other one out of the ring... Which is awesome for the consumers :)



aLkaLiNE said:
Sharpryno said:

Tale of the underdog?  Do you know who Sony is? Do you know all of the shitty things they've done?  Implying Sony is not a corporation? 

 

 


Less than 6 years ago analysts were pegging Sony at a ~80% chance for Bankruptcy.  They were a shell of their former selves.  The fact that they managed this turn around is literally one of the most compelling comeback strategies we've witnessed this century.  Beyond that, MS has nearly held a globabl monopoly for two decades in the home PC space.  We know that Xbox was created with the primary focus to disrupt the home console space in an effort to stimmy Playstation sales.  We know that they hardly breed creative IP, opting instead to buy their marketshare instead of working for it.  We know that Microsoft, with a cash reserve of >$96 billion is losing to a company that has around $8 billion sitting in the bank.  For all intents and purposes of this discussion and my original post, they are the underdog. They have done basically nothing to thwart Microsoft or eliminate them from any market.  The inverse is not true.

 

I'd also like to know how I implied that Sony wasn't a corporation, or for that matter all the shitty things they've done.  As far as I'm aware they came under fire 15+ years ago for some DRM fiasco.  Other than that, we have the PSN outage which isn't a shitty thing a company can do, but is a shitty thing that can happen to a company - something they ammended as best they could by giving out free games to all affected in addition to the class action lawsuit they are paying for.

Then there was a motion picture hacking which wasn't shitty for anyone other than them, but hey, I got to see the Interview for free because of it.

More recently we have the waterproof thing with their phones - which is a problem occuring on the user end due to mistreatment. Despite that they've replaced all affected phones and have changed marketing, despite the fact that the phones are waterproof out of the box.

Do you even know what Sony did to other console makers before Xbox even came into market? Obviously not.  MS has bigger priorities than the console war and its a smaller part of their main business.  Neither of these companies are good and neither are evil, pros and cons to both.  But Sony is no underdog, MS is in the console market.  ~130millions PS2s sold, ~30million Xboxs sold 



One thing is for sure. Sony is winning the month so far. So the questing is whether the price cut tomorrow mill make the sales gap this month even wider and if Microsoft will be reactionary. But in reality, all Sony has done is make it much more difficult for Microsoft to retake the US.