Ultrashroomz said: Feed of those who want to play Xenoblade because of Shulk, but can't find a Wii copy.

And then they release Xenoblade on the Wii U e-shop in Europe, taking thunder away from the 3DS version. I'm definitely happy the did so (finally getting to play Xenoblade on a big screen is waaaay better), but it still baffles me. 

Still don't understand how Hyrule Warriors Legends isn't a N3DS exclusive. Can't see how they were able to get that game to run on the regular 3DS considering Xenoblade Chronicles (a Wii game) did not look so hot as a N3DS exclusive. I mean, I know that Hyrule Warriors didn't look great even as a Wii U game, so I shudder to think at how poor it will look running on a regular 3DS.

sure because PS3 was a simple upgrade to 2, and 4 is a simple upgrade to 3. Never heard such a badargument in a while.

There is nothing in the new 3ds that couldnt have been done in the original

this...or maybe Xenoblade Chronicles could have run on regular 3DSs and Ninty just made up some crap about it needing to be exclusive, cause the New one is "much" more powerful

No, you are totally wrong. I've said way earlier: "It looks cheap, has underwhelming visuals, yet costs more than a Vita!" I've also been comparing it to PSP and that also meant the built quality, not just the graphics. When I take my Vita in hands, I feel it's a modern, hi-tech device. Not the same with 3DS, which looks cheap and totally fails to justify its price. I mean, a slider and that absurd C-stick instead of two analogs? For that price?

So no, and a 2DS is obviously not an answer to my complains when it comes to the 3DS.

Wow Vita is so comparatively expensive in the US. It's far cheaper than the 3DS in Europe. hell at times it is the same price as a 2DS...

You are trying really hard to ignore what I'm really saying and on top of that you're trying to spin things in a way that suits your theory. I guess the best answer is just me quoting what I've written to you on the previous page of this thread.

As you can see, I know exactly what I'm complaining about, I do know all of my options and I have made myself very clear right from the start.

And let me stress the most important point - the 3DS EXPERIENCE is too expensive for my judgment and is a rip-off. The whole experience of owning and enjoying the console, so the price of the hardware and the games. With the 3DS it's massively more expensive than the Vita, while at the same time you can see at every step that Sony gives me superior quality, when Nintendo is cutting corners and saving on me wherever it can and telling me to deal with it.

So yes, the console being hacked will change the price of the experience and suddenly the low quality will become acceptable. This is really a very simple concept and I have no idea why you seem to be uncapable of grasping it.

No. You are still trying very hard to ignore what I'm saying, but I guess I'm gonna have to leave you with this problem.

Well, just one last shot. It's about value for money. 3DS has a low value for what they charge. 2DS has a lower price, but an even lower value with a bulky, choppy build and no 3D, which even further limits the value of games played on it. And yet again, I've written so bluntly, that I'm stressing the point of the 3DS EXPERIENCE. Which means console AND GAMES. Games which, as I've been writting from the very start, are cheaper to develop, yet cost more than Vita games. In my opinion Nintendo fails to justify the price for 3DS and 3DS games and are simply ripping people off.

My arguments are very solid, I'm afraid you have a problem with comprehension of such a basic idea as value for money.

To get to 60 million.

It is more expensive to get a library of the more desirable titles for 3DS than it is for Vita. While the retail price of a 2DS is a good note lower than the Vita, for the Vita retail price you get software included.

If you go to the actual proper 3DS systems, in Europe at least, they tend to cost more than Vitas (even the original model was selling for around the same as a Vita bundle with memory card and game mega pack until the N3DS hit). And that is before factoring in how much cheaper games are to buy on the Vita (most of the main Vita titles such as Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Persona 4, Gravity Rush, WipeOut and the likes will set you back around £15 each, the big 3DS titles are generally always £30).

Overall I'd say the Vita is the cheaper of the 2 handheld systems to acquire a decent software library for, even completely disregarding factors such as PS+. Of course, if it's Mario and Luigi you're after, this is a completely m00t point though. I'm also not getting involved in the build quality side as how a system "feels" is pretty subjective too just like people have preferences for different game pads.