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Goodnightmoon said:

Have you read what sullwaker wrote above or it doesn´t fit your agenda? and I was talking about the games popularity, how the hell can be people tired of them when they are still selling more this generation than some of their biggest success on the past?? No sense at all, and even less sense when you talk about WiiU droughts when most of the games I talked about are from 3DS and consoles like N64 and GC also had big droughts, and that "last gent doesnt count" is getting ridiculous and old.


Couldn't be that I was writing my comment while he was posting his? I never saw it.

Here's the thing. How many diehards did I say Nintendo had? 10-15 million I believe? How many sales does the average Wii U Nintendo game have? 2-3 million. Not all the diehards are buying all of the games every generation. Maybe they picked up Mario Kart 8 because they haven't bought a Mario Kart game since double dash. I'm not quite sure. But what I have actually heard out of Nintendo's fans mouths (and I wish I was joking) is that some of them buying more Nintendo games than they normally would because "Nintendo needs our support". I work with one of those guys. He quite literally has every Nintendo published game he can get his hands on for the Wii U. He just bought Mario Maker, played it for a half an hour, decided it "wasn't for him" and fired it on the shelf. This year alone he's had similar experiences with Splatoon and Bayonetta 2. It doesn't take too many die hards with that attitude to see a spike in game sales on a low volume platform.

The "last gen doesn't count" comment will go away when Nintendo can repeat it's success it had on the Wii and DS. If you remove that generation and look at Nintendo hardware sales, you see a downward trend. Each generation sold less than the last, and the latest generation has sold less than two generations before it. So that indicates that the Wii and DS are the exception. Don't like it? Too bad. Just because it's said often doesn't make it less true.



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potato_hamster said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Have you read what sullwaker wrote above or it doesn´t fit your agenda? and I was talking about the games popularity, how the hell can be people tired of them when they are still selling more this generation than some of their biggest success on the past?? No sense at all, and even less sense when you talk about WiiU droughts when most of the games I talked about are from 3DS and consoles like N64 and GC also had big droughts, and that "last gent doesnt count" is getting ridiculous and old.


Couldn't be that I was writing my comment while he was posting his? I never saw it.

Here's the thing. How many diehards did I say Nintendo had? 10-15 million I believe? How many sales does the average Wii U Nintendo game have? 2-3 million. Not all the diehards are buying all of the games every generation. Maybe they picked up Mario Kart 8 because they haven't bought a Mario Kart game since double dash. I'm not quite sure. But what I have actually heard out of Nintendo's fans mouths (and I wish I was joking) is that some of them buying more Nintendo games than they normally would because "Nintendo needs our support". I work with one of those guys. He quite literally has every Nintendo published game he can get his hands on for the Wii U. He just bought Mario Maker, played it for a half an hour, decided it "wasn't for him" and fired it on the shelf. This year alone he's had similar experiences with Splatoon and Bayonetta 2. It doesn't take too many die hards with that attitude to see a spike in game sales on a low volume platform.

The "last gen doesn't count" comment will go away when Nintendo can repeat it's success it had on the Wii and DS. If you remove that generation and look at Nintendo hardware sales, you see a downward trend. Each generation sold less than the last, and the latest generation has sold less than two generations before it. So that indicates that the Wii and DS are the exception. Don't like it? Too bad. Just because it's said often doesn't make it less true.

What a bunch of bullshit in this post, that´s all I have to said, if you want to have a discussion use real arguments and not stupid speculations like Nintendo fans buying games they are not interest on only to support the company, what a non-sense, I guess that´s why the last Kirby sold 5 milions... oh wait.

And it doesn´t matter how many times you want deny reality, that does not change the fact that no other company in the whole history of videogames have sold not even close to the amount of consoles Nintendo sold last gen (250 milions), and you can try to spin that as much as you want, is still a fact, one that shows how much potential has Nintendo to reach massive numbers when nobody is expecting it and one that breaks every supposed trend (2 generations doesnt make a trend though) that you want to make.





1 million in 21 days. Not bad.



Goodnightmoon said:
potato_hamster said:


Couldn't be that I was writing my comment while he was posting his? I never saw it.

Here's the thing. How many diehards did I say Nintendo had? 10-15 million I believe? How many sales does the average Wii U Nintendo game have? 2-3 million. Not all the diehards are buying all of the games every generation. Maybe they picked up Mario Kart 8 because they haven't bought a Mario Kart game since double dash. I'm not quite sure. But what I have actually heard out of Nintendo's fans mouths (and I wish I was joking) is that some of them buying more Nintendo games than they normally would because "Nintendo needs our support". I work with one of those guys. He quite literally has every Nintendo published game he can get his hands on for the Wii U. He just bought Mario Maker, played it for a half an hour, decided it "wasn't for him" and fired it on the shelf. This year alone he's had similar experiences with Splatoon and Bayonetta 2. It doesn't take too many die hards with that attitude to see a spike in game sales on a low volume platform.

The "last gen doesn't count" comment will go away when Nintendo can repeat it's success it had on the Wii and DS. If you remove that generation and look at Nintendo hardware sales, you see a downward trend. Each generation sold less than the last, and the latest generation has sold less than two generations before it. So that indicates that the Wii and DS are the exception. Don't like it? Too bad. Just because it's said often doesn't make it less true.

What a bunch of bullshit in this post, that´s all I have to said, if you want to have a discussion use real arguments and not stupid speculations like Nintendo fans buying games they are not interest on only to support the company, what a non-sense, I guess that´s why the last Kirby sold 5 milions... oh wait.

And it doesn´t matter how many times you want deny reality, that does not change the fact that no other company in the whole history of videogames have sold not even close to the amount of consoles Nintendo sold last gen (250 milions), and you can try to spin that as much as you want, is still a fact, one that shows how much potential has Nintendo to reach massive numbers when nobody is expecting it and one that breaks every supposed trend (2 generations doesnt make a trend though) that you want to make.

2 generations?  Here we go.

Home consoles:
NES: 62M
SNES: 49M
N64:32M
GC: 21 M
(Wii: 101M)
Wii U: 10M

It appears the the Wii is an exception to a consistent downwards trend of 10-15 million per generation.

Handhelds:
GB: 119M
GBA: 81M
(DS: 154M)
3DS: 54M

It appears the DS is an exception to a consistent dowwards trend of 30-40 million per generation.

Care to tell me how that is "spin"?



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great sales.



potato_hamster said:

2 generations?  Here we go.

Home consoles:
NES: 62M
SNES: 49M
N64:32M
GC: 21 M
(Wii: 101M)
Wii U: 10M

It appears the the Wii is an exception to a consistent downwards trend of 10-15 million per generation.

Handhelds:
GB: 119M
GBA: 81M
(DS: 154M)
3DS: 54M

It appears the DS is an exception to a consistent dowwards trend of 30-40 million per generation.

Care to tell me how that is "spin"?

How the hell can you be trying to make a trend about Nintendo handhelds just because GBA sold less than GB?? Are you telling me that you are not trying to spin reality when GBA was in the market for just 4 years while Game boy was in the market for 12??? And yet DS last generation is the best selling handheld of the history! (And 3DS is still selling! Is not gonna be 54m forever)

And no, the Wii totally breaks that supposed trend, and there is a huge difference from how it was the market on snes and n64 days, N64 would have been the winner of the 16bit generation with those sales yet it was the big loser selling 1/4 of what PSX sold while Snes was the big winner of his generation but it would be a loser in this one, the market changed, the thing is Nintedo won the generation with Nes, Snes and Wii, and losed the generation with N64, GC and WiiU, 3 and 3, there is not a trend there, there is only 2 consecutive Nintendo consoles that failed, that´s not a trend at all.



potato_hamster said:

2 generations?  Here we go.

Home consoles:
NES: 62M
SNES: 49M
N64:32M
GC: 21 M
(Wii: 101M)
Wii U: 10M

It appears the the Wii is an exception to a consistent downwards trend of 10-15 million per generation.

Handhelds:
GB: 119M
GBA: 81M
(DS: 154M)
3DS: 54M

It appears the DS is an exception to a consistent dowwards trend of 30-40 million per generation.

Care to tell me how that is "spin"?

I'm not going to bother arguing your point, since I'm not interested in this discussion...

But as a person who practice statistic, you can't just 'take out unwanted data' because you want to.

Based on your claim, you should have better data than that, right?



Samus, Dernebel, Both of you need to chill.

Like, right now.



Goodnightmoon said:

How the hell can you be making a trend about handhelds just because GBA sold less than GB?? Are you rtelling me that you are not trying to spin reality when GBA was in the market for just 4 years while Game boy was in the market for 12??? 

And no, the Wii totally breaks that supposed trend, and there is a huge difference from how it was the market on snes and n64 days, N64 would have been the winner of the 16bit generation with those sales yet it was the big loser selling 1/4 of what PSX sold while Snes was the big winner of his generation but it would be a loser in this one, the market change, the thing is Nintedo won the generation woith Nes, Snes and Wii, and losed the generation with N64, GC and WiiU, 3 and 3, there is not a trend there, there is only 2 consecutive Nintendo consoles that failed, that´s not a trend at all.


You do realize that pointing out the fact that the with market has expanding, total hardware sales have getting bigger,  and yet Nintendo's sales have gotten smaller shows that Nintendo's market share for each generation (barring Wii and DS) has diminished even further than even the raw sales data indicates, right? Your point actually makes Nintendo look worse.

Let me break it down for you:

NES vs SMS vs A7800
61.9M vs. 11.5M (estimate) vs.4.3M
Marketshare: 80%

SNES vs GEN
49.1M vs. 29.5M
Marketshare: 62%

N64 vs PS1 vs Saturn
32.9M vs. 104.3M vs 8.8M
Marketshare: 22%

GC vs. PS2 vs. XB vs. DC
21.7M vs 157.7M vs 24.7M vs 8.2M
Marketshare: 10%

Wii vs. PS3 vs X360
101.2M vs 85.8M vs 84.9M
Marketshare: 37%

WiiU vs. PS4 vs X1
10.1M vs. 24.8M vs. 13.6M
Marketshare: 21% (and dropping)

Taking reasonable projections:
WiiU vs. PS4 vs X1 (projected)
15M vs. 100M vs 75M
Marketshare: 7%

Please go ahead and explain how this somehow makes Nintendo look better? Who is actually doing the spinning here?

Because to me: 80 -> 62-> 22 -> 10 -> (37)-> 7 

That looks like a pretty solid downard trend with the Wii again being the exception.