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Forums - Sales Discussion - PSP LT sales indicates that psv is heavily overtracked now due to the huge adjsutment up of april! While previously, Vgc wasn't really undertracking it or maybe it was overtracking it moderately!

fleischr on 29 September 2015
Kresnik said:

I'll have a look at the rest of the post when I have time, but I'm immediately suspicious about that 82m PSP number.  On the Wikipedia page for PSP, it cites 3 different sources for that 82m number:

1. http://time.com/2816781/sony-to-stop-selling-playstation-portable-by-end-of-year/">An old Time article

2. A Metro article

3. The IGN article you linked.

Now, if you read the Time article, it doesn't say anything about 82m, so that's rubbish.  If you read the Metro article, it says 80m, so also useless.  That leaves the IGN article as the sole source for this.

If you read it, it kinda sounds like the writer/editor adding that in:

"Discussing an experience he had recently in Tokyo, in which he was given one of the last 30 PSPs ever manufactured as a present (there are 82 million PSPs in the wild), Layden suggested that because Vita hasn't followed PSP's "hockey stick" sales spike, many people assume it's in trouble. PSP, he said, was a "slow burn" over time that brought it to that number following its spike early on."

It's not Shawn Layden saying that it's 82m, it's IGN adding that in.  They may have sales numbers that I'm not privvy to, but I'd doubt that.

Without the 82m, your whole argument kinda falls apart.  That may be correct, but I wouldn't take a rather shaky IGN article as a source, personally.

Could just as easily be an indirect quote. Naturally, the journalist very well could have asked  Shawn: 'how many PSPs are out there with this final production run?' and cited his response in this way.

The other sources pointing to only 80 million are nearly 2 years old. Shipping a final 2 million in the last year or two of production is very reasonable.



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nanzano on 29 September 2015
tak13 said:
nanzano said:

Lol good try but, no...... 1.8M was sold not shipped, and that just after the western release, so 3m+ shipped as of march 2012 is more logic i will find the combined shipment and post it later


It's not a try,I present hard facts and don't try to refute them because you don't like them,in financial releases they publish shipped numbers...

lol 

1-) I don't see shippment in your article http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473619

2-) 82M is wrong since the same IGN said 80 M shippment  in jun 2014 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/03/sony-discontinuing-psp

psp was dicontinued in the Us  at the end of 2013 and sold 97k in japan in the whole 2014 where it wasn't dicontinued :( handheld market)



                                               

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Bofferbrauer on 29 September 2015
Darwinianevolution said:
fleischr said:
I've been finding some things really odd about Vita sales:
- Vita is routinely getting 5-10k sold each week in 'other' regions (Is it really that popular in China?)
- While the numbers reflect Vita being dead in NA, it evidently is hanging on in Europe. Why the big difference? If it's not popular in NA, why is ok in Europe?

Europeans love PlayStation. I'm not a PS fan, but I can't help it sometimes think about buying a PS3 or a Vita.

Yet if you take a look at the individual countries here on VGC, you'll see it's barely selling anything in UK, France and Germany, and these 3 countries, which are the biggest videogame markets in Europe, only count for something like 20% of the Vita sales while they make up over 60% on the other consoles. I know it's selling well in spain, but to come close to the weekly numbers vita in spain must outsell PS4, Xbox and Wii U combined there, which I find hardly believable.



Kresnik on 29 September 2015
RolStoppable said:

If you look at the context of the quote, it's clear that "that number" must refer to 82m and must have been mentioned by Layden. Otherwise the context and argument of Layden that the PSV isn't necessarily in trouble falls apart.


Given that Sony have been constantly quiet about Vita numbers, to the extent that they've muddied in PSP numbers with Vita's since it started doing poorly just to obscure what's going on, I don't see why he'd be so coy about PSP numbers in an interview with a site like IGN.

I mean, they announced PSP's would stop being shipped last year, yet never gave any final shipment numbers.  The only source we have is obscured in this IGN article which hasn't been sourced again by any other major gaming sites.  

Hardly seems reliable for me.

I get where you're coming from, but there seems to be a lot of writer-contribution to this paragraph which is being cited as gospel.

Either way, I can see Vita being overtracked, but I don't think something like this should be the basis for analysis on how much it's overtracked.



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Teeqoz on 29 September 2015
tak13 said:

And finally we have the LT about psp 82m(maybe rounded)... http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/17/vita-sales-are-picking-up-thanks-to-ps4-remote-play 

 Thanks to scea president and ceo in one article in november 2014, it was publicized that are 82m psp in the wild...(perhaps a rounded number)


There is nothing in that article to suggest that Shawn Layden said the PSP had sold in 82 million, and without definite proof for that, your argument kinda falls apart.



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fleischr on 29 September 2015
Kresnik said:
RolStoppable said:

If you look at the context of the quote, it's clear that "that number" must refer to 82m and must have been mentioned by Layden. Otherwise the context and argument of Layden that the PSV isn't necessarily in trouble falls apart.


Given that Sony have been constantly quiet about Vita numbers, to the extent that they've muddied in PSP numbers with Vita's since it started doing poorly just to obscure what's going on, I don't see why he'd be so coy about PSP numbers in an interview with a site like IGN.

I mean, they announced PSP's would stop being shipped last year, yet never gave any final shipment numbers.  The only source we have is obscured in this IGN article which hasn't been sourced again by any other major gaming sites.  

Hardly seems reliable for me.

I get where you're coming from, but there seems to be a lot of writer-contribution to this paragraph which is being cited as gospel.

Either way, I can see Vita being overtracked, but I don't think something like this should be the basis for analysis on how much it's overtracked.


It's not problematic to determine when the combined shipments are no longer combined. To this point, shipments are still combined.

The only way Vita tracks the way it does is if we assume nearly zero PSP shipped in the last year or two. Consider the extremely suspect recent VGC Europe and other regions Vita numbers, it's looking more and more likely the Vita is overtracked.



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nanzano on 29 September 2015
Kresnik said:
RolStoppable said:

If you look at the context of the quote, it's clear that "that number" must refer to 82m and must have been mentioned by Layden. Otherwise the context and argument of Layden that the PSV isn't necessarily in trouble falls apart.


Given that Sony have been constantly quiet about Vita numbers, to the extent that they've muddied in PSP numbers with Vita's since it started doing poorly just to obscure what's going on, I don't see why he'd be so coy about PSP numbers in an interview with a site like IGN.

I mean, they announced PSP's would stop being shipped last year, yet never gave any final shipment numbers.  The only source we have is obscured in this IGN article which hasn't been sourced again by any other major gaming sites.  

Hardly seems reliable for me.

I get where you're coming from, but there seems to be a lot of writer-contribution to this paragraph which is being cited as gospel.

Either way, I can see Vita being overtracked, but I don't think something like this should be the basis for analysis on how much it's overtracked.

Seriously IGN need to post the source of their inacurate numbers

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/03/sony-discontinuing-psp

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/17/vita-sales-are-picking-up-thanks-to-ps4-remote-play

like there were 2million psp on shelf in mid 2014 although it sold 97k in japan the whole year in the handheld market where Media create showed like 30 or less psp sales  around october in japan



                                               

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tak13 on 29 September 2015
Teeqoz said:
tak13 said:

And finally we have the LT about psp 82m(maybe rounded)... http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/17/vita-sales-are-picking-up-thanks-to-ps4-remote-play 

 Thanks to scea president and ceo in one article in november 2014, it was publicized that are 82m psp in the wild...(perhaps a rounded number)


There is nothing in that article to suggest that Shawn Layden said the PSP had sold in 82 million, and without definite proof for that, your argument kinda falls apart.

''Layden, as well as a Sony PR representative present during the interview, declined to talk specific sales numbers for Vita''says in the end so he  must have been  asked for psp too for which it seems that it took numbers...
Discussing an experience he had recently in Tokyo, in which he was given one of the last 30 PSPs ever manufactured as a present (there are 82 million PSPs in the wild)... 



Teeqoz on 29 September 2015
tak13 said:
Teeqoz said:


There is nothing in that article to suggest that Shawn Layden said the PSP had sold in 82 million, and without definite proof for that, your argument kinda falls apart.

''Layden, as well as a Sony PR representative present during the interview, declined to talk specific sales numbers for Vita''says in the end so he  must have been  asked for psp too for which it seems that it took numbers...
Discussing an experience he had recently in Tokyo, in which he was given one of the last 30 PSPs ever manufactured as a present (there are 82 million PSPs in the wild)... 


That doesn't prove that Shawn Layden said 82 million PSPs... I know the article says so, but there's no proof that was Shawn Layden's own words, and not some random bollocks the writer wrote.



tak13 on 29 September 2015
Dr.Vita said:

I am sorry but this is not a fact, this is your opinion. Your are only speculating.
Tbh this thread is just bullshit imo...


What rol said...And Show some respect mister,do you remember me coming to insult you when you were constanlty trying to persuade ioi to adjust it up,with plain speculations,here I present facts mostly,psv is overtracked no matter how much it is...

Underneath,These things are not an opinion...

PSP LTD shimpents were 76.3m and psv LTD  shipments were at 1.8m  as of March 31th 2012(FY11 Q4) Then sony started combining psp/psv shimpnets...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473601

There were 7m psp/psv/vita tv shipped in FY12(Ending on March 31th 2013) http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/12q4_sonypre.pdf

There were 4.1m psp/psv/vita tv shipped in FY13(Ending on March 31th 2014) http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/13q4_sonypre.pdf

There were 3.3m psp/psv/vita tvn shipped in FY14(Ending on March 31th 2015) http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/14q4_sonypre.pdf

A total of 14.4m psp/psvita/vita tv in these three fiscal years!76.3m+1.8=78.1+14.4=92.5 psp+psv+vita tv  

92.5m-82m(psp)=10.5m psv/vita tv shipped as of March 31th 2015(and on the april 11th '15 here,it gets adgusted-up in an immense extend,jumping from 10.35m to 11.65m...)

And finally we have the LT about psp 82m(maybe rounded)... http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/17/vita-sales-are-picking-up-thanks-to-ps4-remote-play  

Discussing an experience he had recently in Tokyo, in which he was given one of the last 30 PSPs ever manufactured as a present (there are 82 million PSPs in the wild) then in the end:Layden, as well as a Sony PR representative present during the interview, declined to talk specific sales numbers for Vita.

This means that he had been asked for psv/psp sales and just didn't get an anwser for vita,the reasons are obvious...

P.s Dr_vita wasn't you the writer of the thread here about this interview,anyway I might be wrong but you definately were exulting in that  thread for the 82m psp,you didn't have any objection then...