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Forums - Sales Discussion - PSP LT sales indicates that psv is heavily overtracked now due to the huge adjsutment up of april! While previously, Vgc wasn't really undertracking it or maybe it was overtracking it moderately!

PSP LTD shimpents were 76.3m and psv LTD  shipments were at 1.8m  as of March 31th 2012(FY11 Q4) Then sony started combining psp/psv shimpnets...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473601

They were 7m psp/psv/vita tv shipped in FY12(Ending on March 31th 2013) http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/12q4_sonypre.pdf

They were 4.1m psp/psv/vita tv shipped in FY13(Ending on March 31th 2014) http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/13q4_sonypre.pdf

They were 3.3m psp/psv/vita tvn shipped in FY14(Ending on March 31th 2015) http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/14q4_sonypre.pdf

A total of 14.4m psp/psvita/vita tv in these three fiscal years!   76.3m+1.8=78.1+14.4=92.5 psp+psv+vita tv  

92.5m-82m(psp)=10.5m psv/vita tv shipped as of March 31th 2015   (On the april 11th '15 here, it gets adgusted-up in an immense extend, jumping from 10.35m to 11.65m...)

Finally, it seems we got the LT about psp 82m (maybe rounded)... http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/17/vita-sales-are-picking-up-thanks-to-ps4-remote-play  

''Discussing an experience he had recently in Tokyo, in which he was given one of the last 30 PSPs ever manufactured as a present (there are 82 million PSPs in the wild), Layden suggested that because Vita hasn't followed PSP's "hockey stick" sales spike, many people assume it's in trouble. PSP, he said, was a "slow burn" over time that brought it to that number following its spike early on.'' Layden, as well as a Sony PR representative present during the interview, declined to talk specific sales numbers for Vita (this demonstrates,that he had been  asked for both psp/psv shipments,but only gave an answer for psp,the reason is apparent.) 

Layden also talked about how he owns one of the last 30 PSPs ever manufactured. It is also stated that lifetime shipments for the PSP have hit 82 million worldwide (by the notorious,vgc writer,trunkswd-william d'angelo who undestands too,that the 82m is not a random thing by ign but it was said by layden since he was asked about it, ign wouldn't tell anything if they weren't informed about  it otherwise they would use the last known/outdated number, to wit 80m as of November '13)  http://www.vgchartz.com/article/252180/playstation-vita-sales-picking-up-due-to-ps4-remote-play-psp-shipments-top-game-boy-advance/

SCEA president and ceo said in an interview in mid November 2014, that there are 82m psp in the wild as sold, I think he meant shipped (wiki says that it's rounded), vgc has psp stopped at 80.7 since a long time ago, hence it is for sure above 81m...
What that does it mean, that between 4.7--5.7m unit shipped in all these three fiscal years were psp units and the remaining 9.7-8.7 were psv units! That would  put psv shipments LTD as of March 31 2015 between 11.5-10.5m, but I guess the scea president and ceo wouldn't round 81m to 82m, that's self-evident, I suppose, more like 81.5M+ so 11-10.5, the average of that is 10.75m..

If someone sees wikipedia it points out that the 82m is a of November 2013, I consider that  to  be a typo, wherefore the three sources redirect to articles,the first one(2014) includes  the 76.3m figure as of March 2012, and quotes that psp is about to be discountinued by the end of the year, thhe second one, is as of November 2013 and has psp at 80m (If I remember right that was the last official update from sony about psp too) and third one is the article about scea president and ceo in November 2014,who disclosed that are 82m psp  in the wild.. PSP was discontinued in NA in January,JAP in June and December in Europe, all in 2014!  

Even if the thing of wiki is right, situation does not alter, it  makes it  even worse for psv (Imagine also if the 82m of psp  was  sold-trough and not sold-in, as wiki presents but I think it's the life time  sales)!

FY12(April '12-March '13) 7.0m units shipped would mean that the 4.7m (far-fetched) of that was psp and they shipped   another 2m  psp units from April 13 till the end or November 13 to reach LT 82m, ergo 7.7m would remain for psv and then the LTD of psv would be 9.5m-as of March 31th 2015!

However, we know that sony was shipping psps till the end of FY14 Q4, so it should have passed 82m if wiki is correct, but I assume that scea president/ceo wouldn't say after one year that 82m psp are in the wild if it was higher, that's why I consider that there is a mistake in the year being shown in wikipedia psp page!  An official source in wiki shows 80m as of November 2013, which implying that from 7m in FY12(April '12-March '13) the 3-3.2M was psp and the rest 3.8-4m was psv, 76.3+3-3.2m=79.3-79.5m!     This signifies  that in FY13 (in FY13Q1,FY13 Q2 and the first two months FY13 Q3) from the 4.1m psp/psv/vita, the  500k-700k are psp units! 79.3+700k or 79.5+500k= 80m (as of november '13)  plus that 2m psp were shipped from december 2013 till March 2015, most of it must be in December 2013, since it's the month with rocket sales, possibly +1m! Namely, a total of 5.7m psp shipments and 8.7m psv shipments, in consequence, 10.3-10.5m  psv shipped as of March 31th 2015.  

The story!

 

Vgc has psv at 10.3 as of March 28th, 10.35m as of April 4th, then ioi adjusts it up by 1.3m of which the 1m went in europe, to bring it to 11.6m as of the 11th April. After the news that psv has shipped 600k units in spain, ioi surmised that he hadn't tracked that, the LTD before the adjustment in europe was 3m.

The huge european markets: the uk, France, and Germany were summing up 1.2m, leaving 1.8m for the rest of Europe, which is acceptable for a bad perfoming platform in general!  We can believe that the 600k sales of Spain or the most of it was there, even if it was tracked inadvertently!

Ioi past that fact, pressured and influenced by a specific member who was trying for a long time to persuade him to adjust it up, by insisting on that psv is a big seller to fairly smaller european markets such as chezh republic, belgium e.t.c  (well it is in spain, something that dazzled many people because is more by 70k by the sales in the uk, by 100k than sales in france, and by 300k than sales in Germany, from what vgc demonstrates, a tracking firm though proved right vgc for the uk/france numbers!)

In spite of Spain being a way smaller market than uk, psv manages to be surprisingly robust there, a sign that sony's playstation big brand strength (which in spain must  be very big) applies to the handheld in spain's market!

Because of  these developments ioi considered that he undertracked it in other secondary european markets too.)   That reared a suspicious result, to wit, Europe, being psv best selling territory, instead of Japan, where it has game support+ the merit of handheld market dominance, while in the old continental has the absolute nothing....

I don't really blame that member, because psv was looking quite undertracked in the beggining!  Eventually, ioi succumbed and adjusted it up heavily, while he was tracking it almost perfectly or moderately overtracking it...     

 

Now, the analysis!

Vgc had it at 10.3m as of March 31th sold, by my analysis I settled on that psv is between 10.3-10.5m  shipped by 31th of March!

By using the 10.5m figure we get 200k psv on the shelves, it seems low  for a console with 4m+ in Japan where must have 120k+ stock there (wii u with 2.42m sold as of June 30th and 2.48 shipped same time frame, had 60k units stock in Japan) a console that it's being sold  and doing well in many territories in the rest of world, and a decent course in europe, should have 400k+ units on the shelves! On the other hand with 10.3m figure we have no stock, anyway 10.3m of vgc and 200k units on the shelve could be right or not but I can't think (for reasons that I aforementioned) that a system like psv has either more than 400k+ 0r under 300k+ on the shelves, so I can see it being 9.9m-10.2m sold as of March 31th!

Vgc since that time interval till 29th of august claims that 800k psv have been sold, then 9.9m-10.1+800k= 10.7-11m!

Lastly, in the improbable worst case scenario (viz, 82m being really as of november 2013 or being a sold through number) perhaps it is at 10m or a little bit under by august 29th...

P.s My post is a wall of text and fairly  intricate/inconherent (doing maths breaks my head, just heed the gist of the thread), so I give you the substance and the conclusion, which is that psv shouldn't have been adjusted up, or  shoul have been considerably adjusted down or should be staying  as it was!      That by 29th of August isn't at 12.4m, as vgc shows, but not more than 11m (it seems like 10.7m-11m), that's related on how many psv units are on the shelves as I have aforesaid, ioi can figure out this!

  I was remembering the statement about 82m psp in the wild but I couldn't locate the source, yesterday, I did it,I was preparing this thread  since November 2014, when the interview of scea ceo and president took place, I was postponing it and I ended up searching the article!:P



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i don't think we want to talk about it... >_>



 

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NiKKoM said:
i don't think we want to talk about it... >_>


Why not? :P Some had the strong notion that it was heavily undertracked and even convinced  ioi(who wasn't undertracking it or he was overtracking somewhat considerably) about that... :P The truth must shine!:P



tak13 said:
NiKKoM said:
i don't think we want to talk about it... >_>


Why not? :P Some had the strong notion that it was heavily undertracked and even convinced  ioi(who wasn't undertracking it or he was overtracking somewhat considerably) about that... :P The truth must shine!:P

Well... if you are right.. and you could be right.. that would mean the Vita drops down in range of the WiiU... and i don't think the mods are ready for that bloodbath.. people will get hurt.. people will suffer.. people will die.. We are talking about forum-ending-apocalypse level of chaos.



 

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Yeah, burn VGCHARTZ, run around NAKED. i mean, nice post, but we will never know.



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I think we will never know PS Vita real numbers, unless Sony itself says something... And we all know Sony doesn't care about Vita anymore.



NiKKoM said:
tak13 said:


Why not? :P Some had the strong notion that it was heavily undertracked and even convinced  ioi(who wasn't undertracking it or he was overtracking somewhat considerably) about that... :P The truth must shine!:P

Well... if you are right.. and you could be right.. that would mean the Vita drops down in range of the WiiU... and i don't think the mods are ready for that bloodbath.. people will get hurt.. people will suffer.. people will die.. We are talking about forum-ending-apocalypse level of chaos.

There won't be any bloodbath, the NX hasn't been announced yet XD



You know it deserves the GOTY.

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That's a lot of effort put into a post talking about a failed console.



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I mean theres a lot of specalation into your math, a metric tom of them. You could be right, but I dont think it matters at all, botom line is PSV didnt sell well enought and Sony has kinda abandoned it already (I like my PSV tough).



NiKKoM said:
tak13 said:


Why not? :P Some had the strong notion that it was heavily undertracked and even convinced  ioi(who wasn't undertracking it or he was overtracking somewhat considerably) about that... :P The truth must shine!:P

Well... if you are right.. and you could be right.. that would mean the Vita drops down in range of the WiiU... and i don't think the mods are ready for that bloodbath.. people will get hurt.. people will suffer.. people will die.. We are talking about forum-ending-apocalypse level of chaos.



Let it happen, I say adjust it , hey its better to be off and close to being accurately near the total, than be above the actual shipment numbers. Who cares if people get upset about it. At least being less than shows that your not over tracking the product.

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