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SvennoJ said:
mornelithe said:

It's EXTREMELY salty, far higher than Earth's oceans.  So no, you would NOT want to drink it.  Plus, while it's extremely unlikely that any life exists in this water (or that it doesn't for very long, due to lack of atmosphere and constant exposure to solar radiation), we do know there are examples of bacteria on Earth with extreme resistance to radiation (which lends credence to the theory that life on Earth was spawned via panspermia), so it's plausible to assume some organisms can survive the short period of time these water flows are active.  We've no idea what such life could do to us...and I doubt anyone wants to be the guinea pig.

I'm sure it will still be imported at some time, exclusive restaurants serving extremely expensive dishes seasoned with water from Mars, together with wine aged under low gravity. That will probably be a big component to finance further settlement of Mars. That's just how our screwed up world works.
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Oh, I wasn't saying it couldn't potentially be useful for use in the future.  The current serious issue is that it's nearly impossible to sterilize objects sent from Earth to Mars.  Due to the resilience of bacteria to ionization, radiation etc... so until we can even approach these features in a way we can limit exposure, or completely stop the exposure, we probably won't be going anywhere near those sites for a bit. (NASA does not want to be introducing Earth organisms into environments where it could flourish on other planets, without knowing they aren't destroying an ecosystem we simply aren't smart enough to identify).  

We're still a ways away from settlement of Mars, given these facts.  But, it's being worked on for sure.



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mornelithe said:
Normchacho said:

I don't think we'll last another 5 billion years either, but I also don't think we're looking at a time table of billions of years. I think by the year 2400 there will be people alive that were born on Mars.

Besides, I believe before the Sun is due to eat itself, the Andromeda galaxy will smash into the Milky Way galaxy in like 2-3bln years.

We should actually be alright when that happens though. The actual things in each Galaxy are still so far apart that most will miss each other.

Heres Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about it on StarTalk.



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Normchacho said:
mornelithe said:

Besides, I believe before the Sun is due to eat itself, the Andromeda galaxy will smash into the Milky Way galaxy in like 2-3bln years.

We should actually be alright when that happens though. The actual things in each Galaxy are still so far apart that most will miss each other.

Heres Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about it on StarTalk.

'Should' and 'will' are far apart when we're talking Galaxies :)  I listen to Star Talk all the time, btw.  Even Tyson would admit that he can't say for sure.  Not that I'm saying for certain it will happen, all I'm pointing out is when you're talking billions of years, many, many unforeseen events can occur.  Heck, a planet going supernova at the right angle would potentially strip the atmosphere right off the planet and irradiate all life on Earth.  The thought that we'll definitely be around in 5-7bln years is...well, human levels of ego talking :)



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mornelithe said:
Normchacho said:

We should actually be alright when that happens though. The actual things in each Galaxy are still so far apart that most will miss each other.

Heres Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about it on StarTalk.

'Should' and 'will' are far apart when we're talking Galaxies :)  I listen to Star Talk all the time, btw.  Even Tyson would admit that he can't say for sure.

Well yeah, I said most things will miss each other due to how far apart they are, but that we "should" be okay haha.



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mornelithe said:

Oh, I wasn't saying it couldn't potentially be useful for use in the future.  The current serious issue is that it's nearly impossible to sterilize objects sent from Earth to Mars.  Due to the resilience of bacteria to ionization, radiation etc... so until we can even approach these features in a way we can limit exposure, or completely stop the exposure, we probably won't be going anywhere near those sites for a bit. (NASA does not want to be introducing Earth organisms into environments where it could flourish on other planets, without knowing they aren't destroying an ecosystem we simply aren't smart enough to identify).  

We're still a ways away from settlement of Mars, given these facts.  But, it's being worked on for sure.

Are there any laws governing Mars though? What's stopping some crazy billionaire from launching his own mission to retrieve Mars water.
First we'll have a space hotel, maybe in 5 years already, then a lunar resort. I wouldn't be surprised if the first settlement on the Moon is for commercial reasons rather than scientific.



Normchacho said:
mornelithe said:

'Should' and 'will' are far apart when we're talking Galaxies :)  I listen to Star Talk all the time, btw.  Even Tyson would admit that he can't say for sure.

Well yeah, I said most things will miss each other due to how far apart they are, but that we "should" be okay haha.

I was referring more to what Tyson said :)  Plus, I added some stuff to my initial response that kind of puts what I was saying in context, fyi heh.



What NASA isn't telling you is that there are humanoid roaches on Mars that can quickly learn our technology.



mornelithe said:
Normchacho said:

We should actually be alright when that happens though. The actual things in each Galaxy are still so far apart that most will miss each other.

Heres Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about it on StarTalk.

 

'Should' and 'will' are far apart when we're talking Galaxies :)  I listen to Star Talk all the time, btw.  Even Tyson would admit that he can't say for sure.  Not that I'm saying for certain it will happen, all I'm pointing out is when you're talking billions of years, many, many unforeseen events can occur.  Heck, a star going supernova at the right angle would potentially strip the atmosphere right off the planet and irradiate all life on Earth.  The thought that we'll definitely be around in 5-7bln years is...well, human levels of ego talking :)

Yeah, I have little doubt humans will be long gone is 5 billion years. Even if our genetic line survived we'd have evolved to much as to be unrecognizable. But I get what you're saying, tomorrow NASA could announce that they've found a giant meteor flying towards Earth and we could all be gone this time next year.



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SvennoJ said:
mornelithe said:
 

Oh, I wasn't saying it couldn't potentially be useful for use in the future.  The current serious issue is that it's nearly impossible to sterilize objects sent from Earth to Mars.  Due to the resilience of bacteria to ionization, radiation etc... so until we can even approach these features in a way we can limit exposure, or completely stop the exposure, we probably won't be going anywhere near those sites for a bit. (NASA does not want to be introducing Earth organisms into environments where it could flourish on other planets, without knowing they aren't destroying an ecosystem we simply aren't smart enough to identify).  

We're still a ways away from settlement of Mars, given these facts.  But, it's being worked on for sure.

Are there any laws governing Mars though? What's stopping some crazy billionaire from launching his own mission to retrieve Mars water.
First we'll have a space hotel, maybe in 5 years already, then a lunar resort. I wouldn't be surprised if the first settlement on the Moon is for commercial reasons rather than scientific.

No, but most Billionaires don't have the money to be able to do this (NASA's yearly budget is $17.64bln).   It requires Government's with the kind of money the US, EU, Russia, etc.. can put together, to be able to pioneer these things.  For one, this is the first time it's been shown that there's actually flowing water on Mars.  For another, we've known the moon has polar icecaps, and no company or billionaire has attempted any such venture.  Third, the amount of rare metals/resources on comets flying through the galaxy, should be enough to have ANY billionaire hip deep in this, but thus far, few are really putting serious money into it.

So, long story short sure a Billionaire could invest the vast, vast majority of their wealth to such a venture, but these devices/machines/technology aren't developed in a year, or 5 years.  It's a long process, that requires new technologies be developed over time.

And actually there are laws about this.  It's called the Outer Space Treaty, which was probably mainly devised to prohibit Governments from putting weapons systems in space, but also includes Article IV:

"Article VI of the Outer Space Treaty deals with international responsibility, stating that "the activities of non-governmental entities in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, shall require authorization and continuing supervision by the appropriate State Party to the Treaty" and that States Parties shall bear international responsibility for national space activities whether carried out by governmental or non-governmental entities.

As a result of discussions arising from Project West Ford in 1963, a consultation clause was included in Article IX of the Outer Space Treaty: "A State Party to the Treaty which has reason to believe that an activity or experiment planned by another State Party in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, would cause potentially harmful interference with activities in the peaceful exploration and use of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, may request consultation concerning the activity or experiment."[6][7]"