Seriously? You base your whole argument in a single word that say? When I say struggling I was talking more about the fact that there is no way those can run at 60fps than about dips, and you gave me all this pointless videos when none of them constradict at all the argument of my post? Nominated to post of the year.

Halo 5 improvements aren't solely on framerate and resolution. Last gen would struggle with the particle effects, lighting (especially the lighting), geometry, number of polygon on screen, shadows, number of AI on screen etc.

Obviously people don't know that or they just don't want to see it.

Goodnightmoon said:
Because all those games you mentioned are already struggling to keep the 30fps in the current gen while Halo 5 is rendering double the amount of pixels per second of those games, is obviously impossible to move for last gen even at 720p, you suggest that it would be possible at 720p 30fps, well maybe, but that´s just not the same, there is huge amount of extra power you need for 60fps and the feel of the gameplay is heavily affected by that, and even then, I´m not that sure if would be able to run on a x360 at all because is not only textures, Halo 5 has a better lighting, better efects, more open areas and a more complex geometry than Halo 4.

Yeeeaaahhh, no. None of those game are struggling to keep 30fps.

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Goodnightmoon said:

Seriously? You base your whole argument in a single word that say? When I say struggling I was talking more about the fact that there is no way those can run at 60fps than about dips, and you gave me all this pointless videos when none of them constradict at ll the argument of my post? Nominated to post of the year.

Yeeeeaaahh, no. You literally said: "Because all those games you mentioned are already struggling to keep the 30fps".

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Wrong on both accounts pal.

The second part of your argument falls on the simple basis of me mentioning Halo 5 running at 30fps on 360. That was what my comment was all about. Halo 5 could run using the same textures on 360 at 30fps and 720p whilst many many next gen games I highly doubt could.

Obviously it is just speculative but judging from what I've seen running on 360 being GTA V, previous halo's(with split screen), mass effect, titanfall I highly doubt it'd be impossible. 

My point is that those games cannot even dream to run on 60fps while Halo is moving double the number of pixel per second , genious, I was not talking about those having any kind of performance issues, maybe he word struggling doesn´t fit perfectly to my intention, sorry for my not complete dominion of my non-native language, and what about you stop to comment about every freaking thing I write in this forum, is that too much to ask? :D

Halo 4 was already on the limits of 360 and this have, as I say before, better lighting, effects, more open areas and more complex geometry, so that´s where I question your speculation, I don´t think is possible without a downgrade not only on resolution and fps.

We are cool man, i have nothing against you.

Neither I do with you, but lately there is too many posts of you that doesn´t make it look like that, anyway, let´s not derrail.

Can Halo 5 run @240p 30fps on 2D sprite on Snes?
What do you think Goodnightmoon?

Well I did say the same textures, I'm sure some effects can be turned down, but I think Halo 5 running on 360 would be a lot like mass effect 3 and titanfall levels of optimisation. Whereas there's no way on this planet the game I mentioned before (which run solid framerates ;) ) could run on 360 with the same textures at 30fps 720p. Even 60fps games like MGSV aside from resolution and framerate look like dick compared to XB/4 versions.