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Forums - Sales Discussion - UK Charts WEEK ENDING 19 September 2015

D-Joe on 21 September 2015
Ali_16x said:
D-Joe said:

Btw if you check this news you should find out some people just want to blame Forza
http://www.vgchartz.com/article/260960/microsoft-7-million-unique-players-have-played-forza-on-the-xbox-one/
"I wonder if that includes people that downloaded the demos."
"That isnt much impressive when we are talking about 7 millions for three games (Forza 5, Forza 6, and Forza Horizon)"
"it most likely includes the players who DL the free Fast and Furious stand alone pack"

The first comment get 15 thumbs up even it's totally wrong, the news already said it's only include Forza 5 and Horizon 2(XB1 ver only)
Also i don't even know what's the problem with this PR, you people serious think something like 50% people using shared account?

Btw Horizon 2 XB1 version have 2.1m player in ranking and Forza 5 have 4.9m.


There is your proof. I'm pretty sure Forza 5 has not sold 5 million, it's probably around 2 million so it actually does have more than 50% people using a shared account. 

Last picture I saw for FM6 was 400k so I guess its sold around 200k-350k.

Proof to your "pretty sure" other than use VG Chartz.

And even VG Chartz currently have 2.01m and it's mostly just counted disc version.



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Ali_16x on 21 September 2015
D-Joe said:
Ali_16x said:


There is your proof. I'm pretty sure Forza 5 has not sold 5 million, it's probably around 2 million so it actually does have more than 50% people using a shared account. 

Last picture I saw for FM6 was 400k so I guess its sold around 200k-350k.

Proof to your "pretty sure" other than use VG Chartz.

And even VG Chartz currently have 2.01m and it's mostly just counted disc version.


And what? How much do you think they sold digitally? it's definitely less than 2.5m.



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darkenergy on 21 September 2015
think-man said:
I didn't even know forza 6 was releasing this week.


2 of the digital editions were already release the week before.



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D-Joe on 21 September 2015
Ali_16x said:
D-Joe said:

Proof to your "pretty sure" other than use VG Chartz.

And even VG Chartz currently have 2.01m and it's mostly just counted disc version.


And what? How much do you think they sold digitally? it's definitely less than 2.5m.

The free weekend added ~900k users, with other negative elements i'm not surprised it's over 3m.



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Ali_16x on 21 September 2015
D-Joe said:
Ali_16x said:
D-Joe said:

Proof to your "pretty sure" other than use VG Chartz.

And even VG Chartz currently have 2.01m and it's mostly just counted disc version.


And what? How much do you think they sold digitally? it's definitely less than 2.5m.

The free weekend added ~900k users, with other negative elements i'm not surprised it's over 3m.

Can I ask how you know this?



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Michelasso on 21 September 2015
iTzCharlie said:
Forza 6 have 3 different digital version and two of this let you play first so it may have sold good in dd. Don' talk about flop


True. But at what price? One can buy (at least today, but sometime pre-orders in UK are even cheaper) the basic version of Forza 6 for £39.85 in Amazon UK. I think it is $49.99 digital and the special editions are much more expensive (I've seen more than £80 for the most expensive, but then the Xbox marketplace page switched to my country). I don't think digital will count much. 



D-Joe on 21 September 2015
Ali_16x said:
D-Joe said:
Ali_16x said:
D-Joe said:

Proof to your "pretty sure" other than use VG Chartz.

And even VG Chartz currently have 2.01m and it's mostly just counted disc version.


And what? How much do you think they sold digitally? it's definitely less than 2.5m.

The free weekend added ~900k users, with other negative elements i'm not surprised it's over 3m.

Can I ask how you know this?

Gaf have discussion of this news at few days ago.



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Angelv577 on 21 September 2015
DerNebel said:

So we have

1
Forza Motorsport 4 (X360)
Microsoft Game Studios, Racing
108,488 108,488 1
3
Forza Motorsport 5 (XOne)
Microsoft Game Studios, Racing
62,028 62,028 1

And now the 6th entry between 22k and 36k? Well doesn't that scream oversaturation, I guess people aren't that excited for this part of the "biggest lineup in Xbox history" anymore.

yep, it looks worse than I thought.  This just tell you that rankings can greatly mislead you.



think-man on 21 September 2015
darkenergy said:
think-man said:
I didn't even know forza 6 was releasing this week.


2 of the digital editions were already release the week before.

Theyve already caught up to GT in terms of titles released. Forza 7 will probably launch the same year as GT 7



 

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DerNebel on 21 September 2015
D-Joe said:

Btw if you check this news you should find out some people just want to blame Forza
http://www.vgchartz.com/article/260960/microsoft-7-million-unique-players-have-played-forza-on-the-xbox-one/
"I wonder if that includes people that downloaded the demos."
"That isnt much impressive when we are talking about 7 millions for three games (Forza 5, Forza 6, and Forza Horizon)"
"it most likely includes the players who DL the free Fast and Furious stand alone pack"

The first comment get 15 thumbs up even it's totally wrong, the news already said it's only include Forza 5 and Horizon 2(XB1 ver only)
Also i don't even know what's the problem with this PR, you people serious think something like 50% people using shared account?

Btw Horizon 2 XB1 version have 2.1m player in ranking and Forza 5 have 4.9m.

The problem is that it's the usual shameful, misleading MS PR crap that some people are going to inevitably eat up as "hurrdurr Forza 5 and Horizon 2 sold 7 million units on X1", when that is not even remotely what this means.

Here are the problems with this announcement:

1. The way they arrived at the number vs. what they are claiming what it is.

Looking at the leaderboard numbers you posted it is pretty apparent that they arrived at 7 million by just adding up Horizon 2 and Forza 5 leaderboard numbers. What they claim this is though is 7 million unique users, which even if we ignore the idea of more than one account on one console is still completely disregarding a much more important point: the clear overlap that is going to exist between the userbases of these 2 games.

2. All the ways these leaderboard numbers can be inflated without anyone actually having to buy this game new.

There is of course the used game market, but there's also the rental market, borrowing the game from someone, getting Forza 5 on the free weekend, possibly even just playing Horizon 2s demo depending on how that is set up and finally simply playing the game on more than one account on one system.

So what this means is that the 7 million number tells us fuck all about the actual number of people that currently own Forza 5 and/or Horizon 2