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Will the NX launch 2016?

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Eddie_Raja on 24 September 2015
Samus Aran said:
Soundwave said:

The Vita is a failure but the PS3 ... not really. If you sell 90 million of any hardware in this business, that means it was widely accepted by a huge user base. That's the 4th highest selling console in history. 

The fault for hardware losses lies solely on the upper management of Sony forcing Blu-Ray into the machine in order to win the video format war.

But Sony's bottom line performance in every console gen ... all they do it sell a lot of consoles. I mean when 90+ million is your freaking "down generation" that's saying a lot.

For sales they are the most consistent console seller by a country mile. No one else has consistently sold consoles like them ... Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft are all over the place generation to generation. 

if you lose money you failed, especially when you sold that many.

Making money is the sole reason these guys are in business.


LOL you just don't get what he is saying.  Add half of the profits blue ray has made Sony into the equation.  Spoiler Alert:  It's a lot more than the PS3 lost.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

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Samus Aran on 24 September 2015
Scisca said:
Samus Aran said:
Scisca said:

Remember one thing. The main reason for the ridiculous losses PS3 generated was the BluRay player. Still, PS3 allowed Sony to defeat HD DVD and now BR is the last standard physical format. Hence everything Sony has earned due to BR has to be added to the PS3 equation and that has to be quite a lot of monies. PS3 is not a big fat fail, neither is Vita. You're just not looking at the whole picture.

They are big fat fails. If we look at the bigger picture the situation is far worse for Sony during last and even this generation.

Sony will probably not release another HH after the Vita, how is that not a fail?


You know that by showing such a massive bias you lose any kind of credibility? The big picture is these console aren't remotely close to being big fat fails. If you ask me, the previous gen was perfect, because every manufacturer won and there was no real loser. You have to be biased, very short-sighted and incredibly limit the view to consider these consoles failures. Big picture is Sony was, is and will do very well.

Your statement towards Vita bears no logic, you are aware of that? The market for handhelds is disappearing and will outright die very, very soon. Nintendo is preparing for this as well. It is inevitable - no matter what Sony and Nintendo do, smart devices will kill handhelds. Sony pulling the plug after Vita is not a failure, considering the console is bringing in steady profit. They are reacting to the changing market.

Yeah, I'm the one who's very biased here.

Seriously, PS3 lost Sony billions of dollars and loads of market share. Yet they're no real loser? In what world? Sony wasn't doing well last gen at all.

NPD shows that smartphone games are also taking away sales from home consoles. I guess the HC market is also disappearing and will outright die.

And yeah sure, the Vita isn't a failure. In what universe?



Samus Aran on 24 September 2015
Eddie_Raja said:
Samus Aran said:
Soundwave said:

The Vita is a failure but the PS3 ... not really. If you sell 90 million of any hardware in this business, that means it was widely accepted by a huge user base. That's the 4th highest selling console in history. 

The fault for hardware losses lies solely on the upper management of Sony forcing Blu-Ray into the machine in order to win the video format war.

But Sony's bottom line performance in every console gen ... all they do it sell a lot of consoles. I mean when 90+ million is your freaking "down generation" that's saying a lot.

For sales they are the most consistent console seller by a country mile. No one else has consistently sold consoles like them ... Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft are all over the place generation to generation. 

if you lose money you failed, especially when you sold that many.

Making money is the sole reason these guys are in business.


LOL you just don't get what he is saying.  Add half of the profits blue ray has made Sony into the equation.  Spoiler Alert:  It's a lot more than the PS3 lost.

Lol, if we take Sony as a whole the losses are going to be even bigger. Stop trying to spin so hard.



PuswiTendo on 24 September 2015
Darwinianevolution said:
PuswiTendo said:
Well, that question its not easy to answer. Probably, I don't know at all, they announce the new console around March - May of the following year. And other thing: Its very possible that Nintendo announces more Wii U / Nintendo 3DS games for the future (a new Kirby game for Nintendo 3DS would get me excited), so that could affect the year and month when the Nintendo NX come out.

They will probably announce all their remaining 3DS and WiiU games between January and E3, and they either release the NX before Christmas 2016 or they will hype the NX throughout 2017 to a September-October 2017 release.

Hmm... If they release the NX in sept-oct of 2017, the lifetime of Wii U and Nintendo 3DS will increase. I don't see that happening, but its a possibility.

By the way, I've read in Nintendolife about three months ago that Miyamoto had shown the NX system to third-parties in the last E3... Is that true or not??

 

 



Darwinianevolution on 24 September 2015
PuswiTendo said:
Darwinianevolution said:
PuswiTendo said:
Well, that question its not easy to answer. Probably, I don't know at all, they announce the new console around March - May of the following year. And other thing: Its very possible that Nintendo announces more Wii U / Nintendo 3DS games for the future (a new Kirby game for Nintendo 3DS would get me excited), so that could affect the year and month when the Nintendo NX come out.

They will probably announce all their remaining 3DS and WiiU games between January and E3, and they either release the NX before Christmas 2016 or they will hype the NX throughout 2017 to a September-October 2017 release.

Hmm... If they release the NX in sept-oct of 2017, the lifetime of Wii U and Nintendo 3DS will increase. I don't see that happening, but its a possibility.

By the way, I've read in Nintendolife about three months ago that Miyamoto had shown the NX system to third-parties in the last E3... Is that true or not??

I have heard it too. I'm sure that, if they have announced DQ XI for the NX, 3rd parties already had the NX some time ago.



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bigtakilla on 24 September 2015
Samus Aran said:
Scisca said:
Samus Aran said:

They are big fat fails. If we look at the bigger picture the situation is far worse for Sony during last and even this generation.

Sony will probably not release another HH after the Vita, how is that not a fail?


You know that by showing such a massive bias you lose any kind of credibility? The big picture is these console aren't remotely close to being big fat fails. If you ask me, the previous gen was perfect, because every manufacturer won and there was no real loser. You have to be biased, very short-sighted and incredibly limit the view to consider these consoles failures. Big picture is Sony was, is and will do very well.

Your statement towards Vita bears no logic, you are aware of that? The market for handhelds is disappearing and will outright die very, very soon. Nintendo is preparing for this as well. It is inevitable - no matter what Sony and Nintendo do, smart devices will kill handhelds. Sony pulling the plug after Vita is not a failure, considering the console is bringing in steady profit. They are reacting to the changing market.

Yeah, I'm the one who's very biased here.

Seriously, PS3 lost Sony billions of dollars and loads of market share. Yet they're no real loser? In what world? Sony wasn't doing well last gen at all.

NPD shows that smartphone games are also taking away sales from home consoles. I guess the HC market is also disappearing and will outright die.

And yeah sure, the Vita isn't a failure. In what universe?

What part of you have Samus as a profile picture are you not getting? (Lol, I have no clue why that is a factor in any discussion but appearently it's a big deal... Thank God I went with the Xenoblade X profile pic.)



Scisca on 24 September 2015
Samus Aran said:
Scisca said:
Samus Aran said:
Scisca said:

Remember one thing. The main reason for the ridiculous losses PS3 generated was the BluRay player. Still, PS3 allowed Sony to defeat HD DVD and now BR is the last standard physical format. Hence everything Sony has earned due to BR has to be added to the PS3 equation and that has to be quite a lot of monies. PS3 is not a big fat fail, neither is Vita. You're just not looking at the whole picture.

They are big fat fails. If we look at the bigger picture the situation is far worse for Sony during last and even this generation.

Sony will probably not release another HH after the Vita, how is that not a fail?


You know that by showing such a massive bias you lose any kind of credibility? The big picture is these console aren't remotely close to being big fat fails. If you ask me, the previous gen was perfect, because every manufacturer won and there was no real loser. You have to be biased, very short-sighted and incredibly limit the view to consider these consoles failures. Big picture is Sony was, is and will do very well.

Your statement towards Vita bears no logic, you are aware of that? The market for handhelds is disappearing and will outright die very, very soon. Nintendo is preparing for this as well. It is inevitable - no matter what Sony and Nintendo do, smart devices will kill handhelds. Sony pulling the plug after Vita is not a failure, considering the console is bringing in steady profit. They are reacting to the changing market.

Yeah, I'm the one who's very biased here.

Seriously, PS3 lost Sony billions of dollars and loads of market share. Yet they're no real loser? In what world? Sony wasn't doing well last gen at all.

NPD shows that smartphone games are also taking away sales from home consoles. I guess the HC market is also disappearing and will outright die.

And yeah sure, the Vita isn't a failure. In what universe?


I'm happy you've acknowledged your strong bias.

I'm gonna repeat. Add all the BR profits to PS3. Sony would never earn that money had it not invested extra into PS3. If you include the costs of BR, ignoring the profit it brought is unfair. And when it comes to marketshare, last gen is very, very deceiving due to the anomaly that was the Wii. You can't just add the consoles sold like you could earlier and say "this is the market", cause Wii gained a completely new market that didn't exist before and no longer exists. That's why only fools like Pachter believe this gen will sell like the previous one. It won't, cause we're back to the regular market, as Nintendo is learning the hard way. And Sony's marketshare in this market remained strong. Not as strong as earlier, but strong enough, as PS4 proves.

Yup, it will. Is this really news to you? Games will become a service very soon, all companies are getting ready to this. Heard of PS Now? Get used to it. Next gen will possibly be the last generation of consoles as we know them. Handhelds are first, home consoles will die later on.

You know what, get serious, cause such conversations make no sense. Calling something a "failure" is different than calling it a "big fat failure". Vita isn't meeting expectations, just like Wii U. But since it remains mildly profitable, it's not a "big fat failure". Especially since it's not damaging the PS brand and its result doesn't pose any risk for the future of PlayStation.

When it comes to PS3, it was much more than just a gaming console. It was a medium for worldwide introduction of BR. And it achieved that. It also defended itself against a very strong move from MS and set the table for a more successful gen. When everything was up in the air when it comes to PS4 and Xbone the argument of PS having more, better studios and supporting their console for much longer was among the most important ones. That's strictly PS3 heritage.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

Eddie_Raja on 24 September 2015
Samus Aran said:
Eddie_Raja said:
Samus Aran said:
Soundwave said:

The Vita is a failure but the PS3 ... not really. If you sell 90 million of any hardware in this business, that means it was widely accepted by a huge user base. That's the 4th highest selling console in history. 

The fault for hardware losses lies solely on the upper management of Sony forcing Blu-Ray into the machine in order to win the video format war.

But Sony's bottom line performance in every console gen ... all they do it sell a lot of consoles. I mean when 90+ million is your freaking "down generation" that's saying a lot.

For sales they are the most consistent console seller by a country mile. No one else has consistently sold consoles like them ... Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft are all over the place generation to generation. 

if you lose money you failed, especially when you sold that many.

Making money is the sole reason these guys are in business.


LOL you just don't get what he is saying.  Add half of the profits blue ray has made Sony into the equation.  Spoiler Alert:  It's a lot more than the PS3 lost.

Lol, if we take Sony as a whole the losses are going to be even bigger. Stop trying to spin so hard.

I am not spinning anything.  The overall losses are CLEARLY due to their TV and Cellphone business.  Get a clue lol



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

bigtakilla on 24 September 2015
Scisca said:
Samus Aran said:
Scisca said:
Samus Aran said:
Scisca said:

Remember one thing. The main reason for the ridiculous losses PS3 generated was the BluRay player. Still, PS3 allowed Sony to defeat HD DVD and now BR is the last standard physical format. Hence everything Sony has earned due to BR has to be added to the PS3 equation and that has to be quite a lot of monies. PS3 is not a big fat fail, neither is Vita. You're just not looking at the whole picture.

They are big fat fails. If we look at the bigger picture the situation is far worse for Sony during last and even this generation.

Sony will probably not release another HH after the Vita, how is that not a fail?


You know that by showing such a massive bias you lose any kind of credibility? The big picture is these console aren't remotely close to being big fat fails. If you ask me, the previous gen was perfect, because every manufacturer won and there was no real loser. You have to be biased, very short-sighted and incredibly limit the view to consider these consoles failures. Big picture is Sony was, is and will do very well.

Your statement towards Vita bears no logic, you are aware of that? The market for handhelds is disappearing and will outright die very, very soon. Nintendo is preparing for this as well. It is inevitable - no matter what Sony and Nintendo do, smart devices will kill handhelds. Sony pulling the plug after Vita is not a failure, considering the console is bringing in steady profit. They are reacting to the changing market.

Yeah, I'm the one who's very biased here.

Seriously, PS3 lost Sony billions of dollars and loads of market share. Yet they're no real loser? In what world? Sony wasn't doing well last gen at all.

NPD shows that smartphone games are also taking away sales from home consoles. I guess the HC market is also disappearing and will outright die.

And yeah sure, the Vita isn't a failure. In what universe?


I'm happy you've acknowledged your strong bias.

I'm gonna repeat. Add all the BR profits to PS3. Sony would never earn that money had it not invested extra into PS3. If you include the costs of BR, ignoring the profit it brought is unfair. And when it comes to marketshare, last gen is very, very deceiving due to the anomaly that was the Wii. You can't just add the consoles sold like you could earlier and say "this is the market", cause Wii gained a completely new market that didn't exist before and no longer exists. That's why only fools like Pachter believe this gen will sell like the previous one. It won't, cause we're back to the regular market, as Nintendo is learning the hard way. And Sony's marketshare in this market remained strong. Not as strong as earlier, but strong enough, as PS4 proves.

Yup, it will. Is this really news to you? Games will become a service very soon, all companies are getting ready to this. Heard of PS Now? Get used to it. Next gen will possibly be the last generation of consoles as we know them. Handhelds are first, home consoles will die later on.

You know what, get serious, cause such conversations make no sense. Calling something a "failure" is different than calling it a "big fat failure". Vita isn't meeting expectations, just like Wii U. But since it remains mildly profitable, it's not a "big fat failure". Especially since it's not damaging the PS brand and its result doesn't pose any risk for the future of PlayStation.

When it comes to PS3, it was much more than just a gaming console. It was a medium for worldwide introduction of BR. And it achieved that. It also defended itself against a very strong move from MS and set the table for a more successful gen. When everything was up in the air when it comes to PS4 and Xbone the argument of PS having more, better studios and supporting their console for much longer was among the most important ones. That's strictly PS3 heritage.

And let's not forget that Samus pic. I mean, that was the real clincher for me.



Soundwave on 24 September 2015

Sony had losses but they still sold an incredible number of PS3s considering they started at $600 freaking dollars.

That just shows how dominant they are in the console business, it's like an athlete still being able to play a good game while playing on one leg or something.

Since Sony doesn't give me any of their money either, why the hell should I care if they took losses or not? They still were very clearly able to come out of that generation and are now able to market/sell the PS4 ... so much so that they're whupping Nintendo and MS again like they have for about 16/20 years (80% of the time).