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Will the NX launch 2016?

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I would like to know the titles PS4 has prepared for 2017. The 2016 PS4 lineup sounds amazing, but if Nintendo releases the NX when its main competitor is getting an All-Star selection too, that could slow first year sales down a lot. Unless they release the portable NX first, the handheld scene needs new blood ASAP.



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Darwinianevolution said:
I would like to know the titles PS4 has prepared for 2017. The 2016 PS4 lineup sounds amazing, but if Nintendo releases the NX when its main competitor is getting an All-Star selection too, that could slow first year sales down a lot. Unless they release the portable NX first, the handheld scene needs new blood ASAP.


NX is NX. Once one launches, then as far as I'm concerned the whole thing has launched because it's likely to just be shared games, so in that case it doesn't really matter if one launches first, second, or they launch at the same time. Could be even three NX devices or four, like Iwata once mentioned. It doesn't matter. 

The game development for NX has to come from somewhere, "handheld" games don't take any less time to develop either ... Kid Icarus Uprising took 2+ years to develop, Mario 3D Land took as long as Mario 3D World, Smash 3D had the same development length as Smash U, etc. 



Soundwave said:
Darwinianevolution said:
I would like to know the titles PS4 has prepared for 2017. The 2016 PS4 lineup sounds amazing, but if Nintendo releases the NX when its main competitor is getting an All-Star selection too, that could slow first year sales down a lot. Unless they release the portable NX first, the handheld scene needs new blood ASAP.


NX is NX. Once one launches, then as far as I'm concerned the whole thing has launched because it's likely to just be shared games, so in that case it doesn't really matter if one launches first, second, or they launch at the same time. Could be even three NX devices or four, like Iwata once mentioned. It doesn't matter. 

The game development for NX has to come from somewhere, "handheld" games don't take any less time to develop either ... Kid Icarus Uprising took 2+ years to develop, Mario 3D Land took as long as Mario 3D World, Smash 3D had the same development length as Smash U, etc. 

I hope the NX is a hybrid system too. But I still think the handheld space needs some new blood more than the home console one. Home consoles are getting a constant stream of titles, both 1st Party exclusives or 3rd party multiplats. But in the handheld space, we only really have the Nintendo games (which, since the end of 2014, haven't been enough for the system in terms of numbers) and the medium-small titles both 3DS and Vita get from japanese developers. That's it.. Even indies are focusing more on home consoles than handhelds. It seems that Sony won't make a Vita successor, the 3DS lack of power makes the system loose a lot of potential games and its hardware sales are too slow for Nintendo's liking.

I know handheld developement is almost the same as home console developement nowadays. I just think Nintendo will be more succesfull pushing the handheld version first. In the case that the NX were just a home console, it could get a decent amount of support at this moment, but it would risk itself to be abandoned by 3rd parties in a year or two. Nintendo handhelds have already a great reputation and a decent amount of system sellers already. The handheld part will most certainly push the system the most, thanks to japanese developers love for handhelds, and specially if Pokemon Go is a success and people get interested in the franchise in spades.



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Soundwave said:
foxtail said:

The market has grown a lot since the NES so generation to generation comparisons going too far back are not really useful.

Here's around how big the market was with the cumulation of the top 3 consoles of each gen:

NES gen the market was around ----- 80M (79% NES)

SNES gen the market was around --- 100M (50% SNES)

PS1 gen the market was around ----- 145M (71% PS1)

PS2 gen the market was around ----- 200M (77% PS2)

Wii gen the market was around ------ 270M (31% PS3)

From the PS2 to the PS3 Sony had one of the largest gen to gen drops in console market share in history.  I think only Atari had a bigger drop from one gen to the next gen.

The PS3 sold a lot  (so too did the X360), but with the massive drop in market share and the massive monetary losses, the PS3 was not really consistent with its predecessors.


Just from a market appeal perspective though, I can tell you Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega, and Atari would *love* for 90+ million sold through to be a "bad generation". When you can sell that many systems even at your worst ... you are doing something right. 

Nintendo is barely going to get to 15 million Wii Us, Sega couldn't get past 10 million Saturns or Dreamcasts, Microsoft's lower end is 24 mill with the first XBox. 

It's not that the sales aren't good, it's what it cost to get there.  The PS3 as a project cost too much.

And I don't think MS or Nintendo regard the PS3 to be in a enviable position.

Microsoft basically got those same sales numbers with the X360.

The console space is unique in that you have console cycles.

These companies are not stuck on fleeting "bad" or "good" generations.

New consoles come out every so years and within it's lifespan they try to make money.

Microsoft could afford to take multi-billion dollar losses on a console.  

And in fact Microsoft did exactly that with the first Xbox.

But even with their billions in the bank they played it fiscally conservative with the Xbox One.  

If MS is no longer willing to spend to win in the console space then why would anyone else aspire to have a PS3-like success.



foxtail said:

Soundwave said:

For sales they are the most consistent console seller by a country mile. No one else has consistently sold consoles like them ... Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft are all over the place generation to generation. 

The market has grown a lot since the NES so generation to generation comparisons going too far back are not really useful.

Here's around how big the market was with the cumulation of the top 3 consoles of each gen:

NES gen the market was around ----- 80M (79% NES)

SNES gen the market was around --- 100M (50% SNES)

PS1 gen the market was around ----- 145M (71% PS1)

PS2 gen the market was around ----- 200M (77% PS2)

Wii gen the market was around ------ 270M (31% PS3)

From the PS2 to the PS3 Sony had one of the largest gen to gen drops in console market share in history.  I think only Atari had a bigger drop from one gen to the next gen.

The PS3 sold a lot  (so too did the X360), but with the massive drop in market share and the massive monetary losses, the PS3 was not really consistent with its predecessors.

changes in marketshare are representitive more on the overall strength of the options available than the performance of the console itself.

The wii sold exceptionally well, as did the PS3 despite them getting to market later than the 360, so if anything gen 7 is just an anomaly where everyone sold well and shared the potential userbase more or less equally.

If any other gen contained three platforms that all did just as similarly well as each other then we would see the trend occur more often, but in previous generations the console that pulled ahead out of the gate usually solidified that lead, the difference for gen 7 was the underdog shot under the gate before the rest of the gates opened, unsettling the ebb and flow of the race.

If the 360 did not release, or released the same time as the wii and ps3, we would likely be sitting right now discussing 120-130m sales for wii and ps3 and 50-60m sales for xbox 360, and we would STILL be looking at anomalous data because the wii performance is grounded upon hitting a trend in the bullseye and riding that trend until dissapation.

Thus using gen7 data to establish any norms is not going to really work.



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Samus Aran said:
Scisca said:

Remember one thing. The main reason for the ridiculous losses PS3 generated was the BluRay player. Still, PS3 allowed Sony to defeat HD DVD and now BR is the last standard physical format. Hence everything Sony has earned due to BR has to be added to the PS3 equation and that has to be quite a lot of monies. PS3 is not a big fat fail, neither is Vita. You're just not looking at the whole picture.

They are big fat fails. If we look at the bigger picture the situation is far worse for Sony during last and even this generation.

Sony will probably not release another HH after the Vita, how is that not a fail?


You know that by showing such a massive bias you lose any kind of credibility? The big picture is these console aren't remotely close to being big fat fails. If you ask me, the previous gen was perfect, because every manufacturer won and there was no real loser. You have to be biased, very short-sighted and incredibly limit the view to consider these consoles failures. Big picture is Sony was, is and will do very well.

Your statement towards Vita bears no logic, you are aware of that? The market for handhelds is disappearing and will outright die very, very soon. Nintendo is preparing for this as well. It is inevitable - no matter what Sony and Nintendo do, smart devices will kill handhelds. Sony pulling the plug after Vita is not a failure, considering the console is bringing in steady profit. They are reacting to the changing market.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

Well, that question its not easy to answer. Probably, I don't know at all, they announce the new console around March - May of the following year. And other thing: Its very possible that Nintendo announces more Wii U / Nintendo 3DS games for the future (a new Kirby game for Nintendo 3DS would get me excited), so that could affect the year and month when the Nintendo NX come out.



Tamron said:
i believe they will delay loz again in order to keep the nx versions release within 6 month of the wiiu version, assuming they bother with cross platform at all at this point.
Also calling star fox a big title is a bit much.

A 1st party Nintendo IP developed with Platinum Games... It's kind of a big thing. NOt nearly as big as LoZ agreed totally, but certainly not insignificant.



Scisca said:
Samus Aran said:
Scisca said:

Remember one thing. The main reason for the ridiculous losses PS3 generated was the BluRay player. Still, PS3 allowed Sony to defeat HD DVD and now BR is the last standard physical format. Hence everything Sony has earned due to BR has to be added to the PS3 equation and that has to be quite a lot of monies. PS3 is not a big fat fail, neither is Vita. You're just not looking at the whole picture.

They are big fat fails. If we look at the bigger picture the situation is far worse for Sony during last and even this generation.

Sony will probably not release another HH after the Vita, how is that not a fail?


You know that by showing such a massive bias you lose any kind of credibility? The big picture is these console aren't remotely close to being big fat fails. If you ask me, the previous gen was perfect, because every manufacturer won and there was no real loser. You have to be biased, very short-sighted and incredibly limit the view to consider these consoles failures. Big picture is Sony was, is and will do very well.

Your statement towards Vita bears no logic, you are aware of that? The market for handhelds is disappearing and will outright die very, very soon. Nintendo is preparing for this as well. It is inevitable - no matter what Sony and Nintendo do, smart devices will kill handhelds. Sony pulling the plug after Vita is not a failure, considering the console is bringing in steady profit. They are reacting to the changing market.

So I guess showing actual data of Sony's loses with the PS3 can be swept aside as someone being biased now?...... Lol.



PuswiTendo said:
Well, that question its not easy to answer. Probably, I don't know at all, they announce the new console around March - May of the following year. And other thing: Its very possible that Nintendo announces more Wii U / Nintendo 3DS games for the future (a new Kirby game for Nintendo 3DS would get me excited), so that could affect the year and month when the Nintendo NX come out.

They will probably announce all their remaining 3DS and WiiU games between January and E3, and they either release the NX before Christmas 2016 or they will hype the NX throughout 2017 to a September-October 2017 release.



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