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ArchangelMadzz said:
That's why 360 had all the technically superior exclusives. Right?

Cell was a bad idea and Sony paid the price but these guys are blowing it way out of proportion. nd mastered the cell after their first game and making the switch to PS4 hasn't been half arsed in anyway uncharted 4 is the most impressive game we've seen.

You're right, Xbox 360 didn't have the technically superior exclusives. But when it came to multi-plats, it usually had the technically superior port.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
d21lewis said:
So on one hand, Xbox held games back because they weren't on blu Ray. On the other, PS held games back because it was tough to develop for.

Obviously Nintendo was the one driving the industry forward!


Where is that from?



walsufnir said:
Ruler said:

Yes it tottally desevred games like Uncharted 2, 3, The Last of Us, MGS4 who look all better than those Multiplats from Dice. 

MGS4 alone looks better than every Xbox 360 game, it looks pretty much like MGS5 and both games are seperated by 7 yeas

It's ok to have opinions but... well, it's obvious to everyone reading this.

Yeah. I mean to say that MGS 4 pretty much looks like MGS 5 must really have their eyes checked,



fireburn95 said:
Sony's studios got to grips with it pretty well, because they took the time and invested into r&d instead of expecting cookies on a platter. That churned out many great looking ps3 exclusives, some of which, arguably, looked better than a lot of PC games at the time. Games like GOW3, Uncharted 2&3, Beyond all won the yearly Best graphics categories.

I don't know why you all are talking about graphics,  the CELL is not the graphic processor of the console, it is the RSX ( Reality Synthetizer, based of Nvidia geforce 7 series, including PhysX libraries). There are other aspects of the games that performed better/worse because of CELL. They also had dedicated RAM for the RSX completely separated, included in the RSX PCB itself. Maybe you talk about front side bus performance of the console influenced by CELL?



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XanderXT said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
That's why 360 had all the technically superior exclusives. Right?

Cell was a bad idea and Sony paid the price but these guys are blowing it way out of proportion. nd mastered the cell after their first game and making the switch to PS4 hasn't been half arsed in anyway uncharted 4 is the most impressive game we've seen.

You're right, Xbox 360 didn't have the technically superior exclusives. But when it came to multi-plats, it usually had the technically superior port.


It did have the superior port, because the Cell was complicated and Dev's didn't have the money or time to put the work in to make it good because we all know the cell was a BAD decision. But these devs are making it seem impossible when it really wasn't as first party studios managed to do it to a point where they were the most impressive games.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
XanderXT said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
That's why 360 had all the technically superior exclusives. Right?

Cell was a bad idea and Sony paid the price but these guys are blowing it way out of proportion. nd mastered the cell after their first game and making the switch to PS4 hasn't been half arsed in anyway uncharted 4 is the most impressive game we've seen.

You're right, Xbox 360 didn't have the technically superior exclusives. But when it came to multi-plats, it usually had the technically superior port.


It did have the superior port, because the Cell was complicated and Dev's didn't have the money or time to put the work in to make it good because we all know the cell was a BAD decision. But these devs are making it seem impossible when it really wasn't as first party studios managed to do it to a point where they were the most impressive games.

The Cell did slow down the industry though. But I get your point.



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XanderXT said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
XanderXT said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
That's why 360 had all the technically superior exclusives. Right?

Cell was a bad idea and Sony paid the price but these guys are blowing it way out of proportion. nd mastered the cell after their first game and making the switch to PS4 hasn't been half arsed in anyway uncharted 4 is the most impressive game we've seen.

You're right, Xbox 360 didn't have the technically superior exclusives. But when it came to multi-plats, it usually had the technically superior port.


It did have the superior port, because the Cell was complicated and Dev's didn't have the money or time to put the work in to make it good because we all know the cell was a BAD decision. But these devs are making it seem impossible when it really wasn't as first party studios managed to do it to a point where they were the most impressive games.

The Cell did slow down the industry though. But I get your point.


Given the level of ps360 games in 2013. I can't really imagine how far multiplatform games could've gone if they didn't use Cell. First party titles sure but these guys didn't make PS3 exclusives.



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What does it matter if Dice had problems with Battlefield 4 on the PS4. He's not talking about the PS4, he's talking about the PS3 and Dice work on the PS3 is nothing short of masterful. 

Dice made amazing versions of Bad Company 2 and Battlefield 3 for the PS3 and this guy worked on both games as a Technical Director, not a janitor. These are games with incredible destructive environments and extremely advanced physics. You know? The kind of stuff that actually taxes the CPU. Even the bullets are affected by gravity. That the PS3 versions closely resembles the PC is amazing.

Dice might be struggling with the current hardware but on the PS3 it was among the greatest. Not even Naughty Dog achieved such level of excellence in physics and destructible environments. This is not a studio that failed to deliver, and is using the Cell processor as a scapegoat. This is someone who mastered the Cell processor and is saying things as they are.

His struggle on a platform that, in terms of architecture, has nothing to do with the platform his basing his claim of, is meaningless. That's like questioning the musical ability of one of the best violinist because he/she is struggling with a piano.

Fact is that Sony dropped the ball with the Cell processor and many developers suffered. Not every studio was lucky enough to have the development time and resources needed to deal with the technical difficulties. Pitiful.



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ganoncrotch said:
SonicAway said:
I'm having a really hard time believing some here are having problems with the word "retarded"...


Because 99%+ of the time the word is used it is the slang meaning which is what is being intended. That shouldn't be a surprise when someone actually uses its dictionary definite to try to make a more clickbait'y comment lol.

More or less the same as if you were to type Niger or Negro you probably wouldn't first jump to the river or the latin for the colour black? Maybe you would.


Well, in portuguese we also have both meanings for the translation of this word (mentally challenged person/slowed something down), but I've never seen someone getting confused with it. This may be because the percentage of usage of its slang version is more balanced with its dictionary version, but still. We usually know the real meaning of what we are saying, even when that's not what we mean.

A good example would be the word "sinistro": we use it as "cool!" but we usually know it actually means "freaky"/"spooky" or even "left handed"...

I can't say I'd first jump to the meaning the speaker intended, but the context should help in situations like this, as in your example, in understanding what you mean by saying Niger. Unless people really don't know the longest river in the world (or even the country). XD