So the controller is too big compared to the console.

Hardcore makes the most money since they spend the most, but it where simply talking about unit sales, then Casuals are the majority. 

As a track runner, regardless of whatever race your in, if you have a bad start its really going to cost you, and coupled with the pleathora of other problems Nintendos had at the time, it made them much worse than they could have been.

The gamepad was a dumb, dumb idea that was never going to sell well. After Rayman Legends was delayed the system was dead.

Yeah...the Gamepad is the WiiUs biggest problem, and not just from a marketing perspective. Mostly because you could get pretty much the same functionality out of a normal controller and a companion app. But rather than do that, Nintendo decided to bundle what realistically amounted to a tablet from 2002 in with their console.

I think you are on to something but that something is only one of a few major problems.

It amazes me how people continually seem to:

1. Ignore all the other threads just like this one in here, as if perhaps they've somehow never seen them.

2. Think that THEIR new thread is going to be the 'aha!" moment where everyone here turns around and goes "Ya know what? You're RIGHT! I never thought about it before, but if the Wii U had never had the GamePad, it would be in FIRST PLACE this gen!".



Except that's not true. The GamePad is fine. The ads weren't. Can these threads kindly stop? I hate to sound pissy, but seriously....I came to the site tonight and found no less than two brand new threads both saying the same exact thing, that has BEEN said by many, many, many others, countless times before on here. Just saying.

I'm just saying the Wii being basically a recycled Gamecube that could mooch launch window titles from the GameCube helped the Wii lineup look a lot better early on than it would have had it been a "made from the ground up" Nintendo system. 

Also Jan-July 2007 wasn't *that* great to be honest, Paper Mario being probably the only mind blowing release. 

Wii Sports definitely drove that system. To be honest the Wii isn't that much better (if at all) than the GCN and N64 launch "windows" say 8-9 months post launch

Luigi's Mansion, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Pikmin, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II, NBA Courtside 2002, Eternal Darkness, Super Mario Sunshine

vs 

Wii Sports, Twilight Princess, Excite Truck, Wario Ware, Super Paper Mario, Mario Strikers Charged, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Party, Brain Age, Pokemon Rev

vs

Super Mario 64, Wave Race 64, Pilotwings 64, Killer Instinct Gold, Star Wars: Shadows, Blast Corps, Mario Kart 64, Star Fox 64

If they didn't have Zelda: TP to repurpose as a launch window, I'd say their launch window outside of Wii Sports for the Wii was kinda mediocre to be honest. It isn't until Metroid Prime 3 the following August that a really terrific game shows up. 

The reason I posted this thread is not because I don't recognize the others. Rather I'm repeating this message explicitly to drill it into people heads. And some people have posted saying they haven't noticied it before.

I've been saying this since the Wii U's release. 

Also, I literally said the Gamepad was a great and necessary periphal with the fact that every single wii u ad has the Wii U gamepad in the forefront. Completely in line with what you said, despite you also saying what I said was false.

Also this is only focused on what I believe is the most crucial issue of the wii u, its tablet centric marketting, which misinformed, and ultimately slashed its potential market, thus leading to bad retailer and even worse 3rd party support.

"The problem is people bought Wiis, enjoyed them for 4 years or so but moved on to PS360"

wow, not sure if serious or trolling. don't say something so ridiculous like that, it's very offensive for gamers.

True and Nintendo really could have done something similar with the Wii U, except the HD development apparently caught them off guard and they really thought their meager offerings and limited 3rd party support (mostly late ports) would sustain the gaming audience.

I honestly think they probably should have held the system back until Spring of 2013, that way they could have fine tuned the hardware, have a shorter window between their releases and probably should have had a team remaster some of the late Wii releases like your Xenoblade Chronicles, Pandora's Tower and the Japan only releases of Fatal Fram IV or the remake of Fatal Frame 2 ready for either eShop purchase at a reduced price or full on retail releases.

The rush to get it out on the market before the PS4 and Xbox One but without the games to make it a worthwhile purchase (despite as much as I personally think ZombiU is underrated) until the next year when Super Mario 3D World dropped alongside Wind Waker HD. Nintendo would have taken an initial loss for the end of 2012 but the stronger line up early on would have probably helped the Wii U brand.