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eva01beserk on 04 September 2015
Neodegenerate said:
eva01beserk said:

Sure I get that. But keep in mind that is not just popularity that counts. You might think that "Oh, none of thouse games sell even half of what halo sells", this is true, neither persone, dragonquesst, untill dawn, the order and any of the other games released this year will come close. But now look at the diferent and numerous games. Thouse games will probably have diferent fans, so while one gamer buys a ps4 for bloodbourne, another buys it for untill dawn, another for persona, another for mlb, another for the order. While each will sell only small amount of ps4's to each group, thoue small numbers add up and eventually over take the big number of X1's that halo manages to sell. Sales history dosent fully proove this, but it points in that direction. While some games share the same fans, its always better to have many little and difernt titles, to just one big title.

I would say overall the sales history is proving it this gen.  Thusfar MS has been content to focus on the time that "really matters" (Phil Spencer's words) and enjoy their Q4 victories in the US.  However, the rest of the year - and for that matter the rest of the planet - still counts towards overall sales and that is where Sony's philosophy of spreading things out continues to keep them in the driver seat.

I think, based solely on lineup, MS is gonna win the US in Q4 again.  Doesn't mean they get a worldwide win, or even that the close the gap completely in the US as it stands now.

Yea but if I say "prooves it" then some will argue against it and I dont want to argue about that anymore. So "points to it" its good for now.

I would agree where this any other year that MS will clearly winn the hllidays, but the multyplats this year are kind of strong. I think they might overshadow anything else, specially starswars wich has PS marketing. Plus sony has been sitting on that pricecut for a while, it could have a big impact if they drop the price to even just $50. Add to that any holliday bundle and I dont think the exclusives alone will win it that easy for MS. At the very least the ap will be smaller by wich the ps4 lost last year.



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jason1637 on 04 September 2015
eva01beserk said:
jason1637 said:
eva01beserk said:

Read previous response.

If they focus on America, japannese devs will keep ignoring the x1. Even if they are  niche as some claime, thouse small numbers add up. Just look at the sales diference in jappan. Not only are japaneese devs going to ignore it, but some european devs will as well if they dont performe as well on the country the game is being made in. Like fifa, its a game that performs the best everywhere except the US, where the majority of X1's are. Sure EA will never skip an X1 release,, but releasing on it is just because. Thats not going to last forever, the first ones to start ditching the x1 will be the smaller dev teams who are not making shooters. then it will domino untill soe big titles skip the x1.

Last year sony did not need to drop the price twice like the MS and still outsold worldwide the x1, it even outsold the x1 for the year in the US, so I would not put so much stockk on the holliday. Considering this time sony will actually put some effort on it. And they been sitting on that pricecut that is bound to come this year as well. And unlike some think, all the exclusives released so far dont just desapear, they will sell more on the hollidays. So I still think sony has the better holliday potential

They have all the big japanese game like FF15 and KH3. Also its pointless to focus on japan because if the x1 did well in japan it would only sell a max of about 5m. But microsoft is still kinda showing support for those who bought the x1 in Japan which is good for those fans. Phill Spencer said they will focus more on Europe. And i cant see X1 selling less that 15 million this gen in Europe which isnt that bad.

Do they also have SFV and final fantasy XIV? Or are thouse not big enoughf for the X1? I knw you think persona and dragon quest not big enoughf.

Thats just having a very narrow view of the future. 5 million in japan is better than in america, cuz I think its been prooven that the jap's buy a lot more games and thats where the true profits of gaming consoles come from.

Droping the price is the only thing they done to appeal to anybody outside the core xbox fanbase. They have yet to release any game outside their whealhouse, the couple that are coming that might be diferent dont come untill next year. So all they have done is talk a lot and prooven nothing. The sales gap just keeps increasing all over the world, incluiding in america.

Well sony got SFV to be exclusive. Dragon quest barely comes to the west. Persona is kinda big so ill give you that. They have been starting to expand with new and different ips such as recore, ryse, scalebound, quantum break so there's that. But Xbox cant beat Playstation WW. I think the time MS realizes that the better. I eay that because all MS can do now is make great games and advertise the product and in due time gamers will start to see there games and exclusives. Then maybe they will have a chance next gen.



Neodegenerate on 04 September 2015
eva01beserk said:

Yea but if I say "prooves it" then some will argue against it and I dont want to argue about that anymore. So "points to it" its good for now.

I would agree where this any other year that MS will clearly winn the hllidays, but the multyplats this year are kind of strong. I think they might overshadow anything else, specially starswars wich has PS marketing. Plus sony has been sitting on that pricecut for a while, it could have a big impact if they drop the price to even just $50. Add to that any holliday bundle and I dont think the exclusives alone will win it that easy for MS. At the very least the ap will be smaller by wich the ps4 lost last year.


The marketing deals are definitely the x factor if you ask me.  CoD and Star Wars could move the needle a ton.  I'm just not sure it will be enough for that timeframe specifically.



outlawauron on 04 September 2015
ZyroXZ2 said:
I WANTED to mention Persona 5 and the whole JRPG-anime stuff for the PS4, but Persona 5 is also coming to the PS3 if my memory serves me correctly.

That'd be like discounting a new Zelda because it's cross generation. :-/



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Angelv577 on 04 September 2015
Faelco said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The Xbox One has fourth quarter on lock. Sony fans will never admit it though.


What? 

 

Sony will win Europe and Japan easily, like always, and will win worldwide. 

 

Even if you're only talking about US (it's still funny when people do that ^^), you can't tell anything without knowing the bundles and prices. Don't underestimate the Star Wars, Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty PS4 bundles. They will sell a lot. Last year, the One won thanks to the cheap CoD bundle (at least in part). This year, it's on the other side... 

 

OT : No console for me this year, only games for my PS4 and Vita. I may buy a Wii U someday, or upgrade my computer, we'll see. 

Nah, xb1 won last year due to the entry price being reduced from 400 to 350 bundled with two games, it won BF because it was at 330 with 2 games that day.  Thing is, MS is bound to win holidays again for the simple reason that they would always offer the "better value" compare to Sony no matter what,  its the only time of the year that matters to them and that the console is somewhat relevant.



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Angelv577 on 04 September 2015
jason1637 said:
eva01beserk said:

Read previous response.

If they focus on America, japannese devs will keep ignoring the x1. Even if they are  niche as some claime, thouse small numbers add up. Just look at the sales diference in jappan. Not only are japaneese devs going to ignore it, but some european devs will as well if they dont performe as well on the country the game is being made in. Like fifa, its a game that performs the best everywhere except the US, where the majority of X1's are. Sure EA will never skip an X1 release,, but releasing on it is just because. Thats not going to last forever, the first ones to start ditching the x1 will be the smaller dev teams who are not making shooters. then it will domino untill soe big titles skip the x1.

Last year sony did not need to drop the price twice like the MS and still outsold worldwide the x1, it even outsold the x1 for the year in the US, so I would not put so much stockk on the holliday. Considering this time sony will actually put some effort on it. And they been sitting on that pricecut that is bound to come this year as well. And unlike some think, all the exclusives released so far dont just desapear, they will sell more on the hollidays. So I still think sony has the better holliday potential

They have all the big japanese game like FF15 and KH3. Also its pointless to focus on japan because if the x1 did well in japan it would only sell a max of about 5m. But microsoft is still kinda showing support for those who bought the x1 in Japan which is good for those fans. Phill Spencer said they will focus more on Europe. And i cant see X1 selling less that 15 million this gen in Europe which isnt that bad.

FF7 remake might or might not arrived on xb1 which IMO will be decided based on how well FF15 sells.  Not every popular game is guaranteed 



Angelv577 on 04 September 2015
Samus Aran said:
Tachikoma said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The Xbox One has fourth quarter on lock. Sony fans will never admit it though.

It has indeed, but it's questionable how much its actually going to matter in the long run, it has quite a gap to bridge just to pull even on monthly sales and while the forth quarter offerings are indeed excellent, i believe wholeheartedly that we'll enter 2016 with the xbox still at least 10m behind overall, probably more.

Its performance through 2016 where all of the major PS4 releases have been pushed to is an issue too since any ground they do pull back this holiday will likely be lost and then some next year.

I don't think he means saleswise, just from a gamer's perspective that xbone has a better line-up for the rest of the year.

Next year xbone has promising games coming out as well like Crackdown 3, Quantum Break, Recore, Halo Wars 2 and Scalebound.

He meant sales wise. Its not the first time he has said this although I agree with him.



MoHasanie on 04 September 2015

X1 this holiday but the PS4 has better games next year.



    

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TheSting on 04 September 2015
MoHasanie said:
X1 this holiday but the PS4 has better games next year.


That's debatable



S.T.A.G.E. on 04 September 2015
Shiken said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Tomb Raider is timed...for a year. Not much to downplay there. Those two games alone in Halo and Tomb Raider blow away anything Sony is dropping in fourth quarter in exclusivepopularity.


Based on your opinion and tastes.  Based on mine it is the other way around.  Halo 5 is an after thought  for me, don't like racers, and I can wait a year for TR if I had to (I don't).  My time will be taken up by Fallout 4, Black Ops III (where my friends play...not thrilled about it but what can you do), Persona 5 and DQH.  Halo 5 IF I have time before Uncharted 4.

 

And if you think there are not many others like me, you are sorily mistaken.  X1 will do well, but it does not have a "better" line up.  Till Quantum Break finally gets here, my X1 will continue to collect dust most of the time.


I'm actually being objective.